Trump is America’s Plumber

By | 2017-06-02T18:30:05+00:00 January 14, 2018|
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Donald Trump is not an ideological man. He ran by appealing to the sentiments that unite most working-class Americans, much like Ronald Reagan did in 1980. Working-class voters from factory employees to plumbers and electricians appreciated the themes Trump campaigned on during the 2016 election. Promising to “make America great again” through cultural renewal, economic revitalization, and military strength, Trump ran as a fixer.

In 21st century America, the greatest threat to our quality of life is not terrorism or Russia. Rather, it is bad government.

A major reason that America’s government has gone bad is that the Democrats and Republicans have stopped talking to each other. They did this because both parties have been captured by special interests with radical agendas. A dynamic of winner-take-all politics has become the norm, and nothing substantive has been accomplished in at least a generation. The government of the United States was not created to operate under such a zero-sum paradigm.

Essentially, America’s pipes were clogged and the country needed a plumber, not a politician.

A Stopped-Up Immigration System
Donald Trump is America’s plumber. And a plumber has no ideological motivation either for repairing or for not repairing a stopped pipe. He simply does his job and goes home. If he doesn’t repair the pipe, sewage gets everywhere, and then we really have a mess. The saddest thing about present-day America is most of our problems could be easily surmounted if our two political parties weren’t so consumed with sniping at each other and appealing to a monied donor class with interests that often don’t comport with the common good.

One of our biggest problems is immigration. Most Americans favor immigration enforcement; they want a border wall, and most are willing to give the beloved “Dreamers” amnesty. There is a basis for a deal here—maybe.

President Trump invited both parties to sit down at a big, beautiful table at the White House, and have a public discussion about immigration reform. Fox News host Charles Payne likened the historic Tuesday meeting at the White House to a business meeting, where all participants came in, focused on a single problem, and offered up their ideas. Unfortunately, Democrats haven’t produced their own version of a plumber yet. So they remain uninterested in sharing ideas on reform; preferring instead to stick to their partisan agenda, pleasing an ideologically driven and extreme base (as well as self-interested donors), but doing no good for their country or the majority of Americans who want a sane immigration reform.

During the public component of the bipartisan White House meeting, Trump said some things that rankled some of his most outspoken supporters, such as myself. Yet, there was merit in what he said—particularly if you view Trump as America’s plumber.

For decades both parties have known that immigration was a problem in need of repair. For years, both parties promised to do something about immigration policy. Neither party, however, was motivated to work toward a solution. They lacked the leadership to overcome the problem. It’s not unlike when one knows their pipes need repairing, but no one wants actually to go through the trouble of calling a plumber, waiting for the guy to show up, and paying the bill. After all, they reason, water is still coming through the faucets; most of the toilets are still flushing . . . maybe things aren’t bad enough yet to call the plumber.

Fixes Will Be Costly
In Congress, the legislative pipes have been clogged with money from special interests and ideological extremism for years. Necessary legislation that could ease the immigration problem has been delayed, clogging the system, and choking America on a ceaseless wave of economic uncertainty and political instability. What Trump is doing is unclogging the pipes, so that he can push the sludge through.

At Tuesday’s meeting, Trump offered Congress what many members have wanted for years: the ability to load up legislation with earmarks. Of course, this would contradict the promise of “draining the swamp,” but it does play to lawmakers’ need to repay special interests. In so doing, it might make Congress more pliable in actually enacting legislation that Trump wants (and the country needs), such as immigration reform.

Further, Trump offered that he’s willing to allow the “Dreamers” to stay, so long as America gets a physical border wall and real immigration enforcement. Like any good plumber, Trump assessed the damage to the pipe and offered the Democrats a solution at a fair price. But, the Democrats thought that solution was far too costly for them politically.

So, naturally, the Democrats have taken to lying and exaggerating about what Trump said behind closed doors to undermine the president’s reasonable case for immigration reform. Besides, everyone knows this isn’t just about immigration. This is about getting government working in a way that no longer benefits only special interests, but that empowers all Americans.

America’s Founders established a government that governs least. But, they certainly didn’t envision a government that didn’t govern at all. And, for years, the government has failed to govern in a way that protected American interests or served the majority of Americans. Trump recognized that trend in 2016 and is repairing the damage, starting with immigration. Rather than accept Trump’s reasonable offer, the Democrats are trying to make it impossible for Trump to govern.

The question remains: will the American people let Democrats distract them, and prevent the pipes from being repaired again—especially when there might not be another plumber available again for quite some time?

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About the Author:

Brandon J. Weichert
Brandon J. Weichert is a contributing editor to American Greatness. A former Republican congressional staffer and national security expert, he also runs "The Weichert Report" (www.theweichertreport.com), an online journal of geopolitics. He holds master's degree in statecraft and national security from the Institute of World Politics in Washington, D.C. He is also an associate member of New College at Oxford University and holds a B.A. in political science from DePaul University. He is currently completing a book on national security space policy due out next year.
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185 Comments

  1. zoomie January 14, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    Brandon,
    Here is a thought experiment that may be intersting to you.

    What if there was a constitutional amendment that banned political parties ?

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    • Its_All_Baloney January 15, 2018 at 6:57 pm

      You mean, instead of a constitutional amendment that guarantees freedom of speech and association?

      Oops. Your bad. Next time, think it through.

  2. icenogle January 14, 2018 at 11:41 pm

    The greatest threat to this country isn’t bad government, but a liberal media that won’t tell people how bad government is.Ask John Stossel about it or just check how much coverage Venezuela is getting now.

    • URstandingwhere January 15, 2018 at 9:30 pm

      Venezuela gets a lot of coverage in Venezuela.

  3. Historybuff January 15, 2018 at 6:10 am

    trump is more like a leaky toilet that needs a plumber.

    Get it straight.
    HB

    • Tommy V January 15, 2018 at 7:31 am

      HB – the King of All Retards. Go back to RCP where you are laughed at on an hourly basis.

      • Historybuff January 15, 2018 at 3:41 pm

        Sounds like you need a plumber too.
        HB

  4. Dave Hunter January 15, 2018 at 6:19 am

    I favor a 100 yard minefield, which would be very inexpensive to install on the border. My guess is that illegal crossings would drop to zero very quickly.

  5. akrasius January 15, 2018 at 6:47 am

    The problem isn’t that Republicans and Democrats stopped talking, it’s that they got into bed together and colluded to enrich and empower themselves, their standing army (aka the bureaucracy), their palace guard(the media) and their financiers (lobbyists and big business), while stripping and subjugating middle America.

    • quodverum January 15, 2018 at 7:50 am

      The Kennedy, Clinton as old as the hills “Weinstein Effect” on politics?

      Mutually “scratching backs” for the goodies available of the men / women with power? Who wanted ONLY ONE Thing, Power over “The Lives of Others”/.

      Now presuming the “stupid citizens, that basket of deplorables” cups of The Law and Sympathy runneth over for their “double dipping”.

      Wit the Law of Contract and the Law of Sympathy / care and compassion for the poor innocents who didn’t know what they were doing?

    • depressionbaby January 15, 2018 at 7:56 am

      Sad but true.

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  6. Clutchdriven January 15, 2018 at 7:05 am

    Time to flush the Democrats and their love of illegal immigration.

  7. Bob Acker January 15, 2018 at 7:05 am

    Trump is a clueless buffoon who has no idea what he’s doing. There is a problem, but there’s no way he’s the solution. In fact, he makes everything he touches worse.

    • Tommy V January 15, 2018 at 7:30 am

      Pretty sure the only “clueless buffoon” is you. Actually, you appear to more of a moron.

      • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 7:44 am

        Not understanding that the F in FISA stands for ‘foreign’ and tweeting out against it because Fox told him to, and needing Ryan to explain it to him? Not exactly like really smart.

        • depressionbaby January 15, 2018 at 7:53 am

          If you think FISA only goes after “foreigners” you’re the one that needs help.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 8:38 am

            Those in the Trump orbit were swept up because they were talking to foreigners being monitored. That’s the way it works to keep us safe.

          • taek kenn January 15, 2018 at 11:47 am

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          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 12:45 pm

            Thanks for your concern. No, I’m not jealous of Trump, I kind of feel sorry for him. And many of his supporters.

          • taek kenn January 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm

            No need to thank me. WHO SAID you were jealous ????????? Freudian slip perhaps ? What you need is HAPPINESS in an unhappy life where you feel sorry for people you do not know. So lets try again:
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          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 10:57 am

            Zzzzzzzzzzzz,…….

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 11:17 am

            Boy you must be desperately in need of HAPPINESS. Even answering posts not meant for you. ATTA BOY. KEEP IT UP. I know its working. Did I not guarantee it? So come on again. It’s addictive isn’t it. So lets keep it up.
             Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on.Boy you must be desperately in need of HAPPINESS. Even answering posts not meant for you. ATTA BOY. KEEP IT UP. I know its working. Did I not guarantee it? So come on again. It’s addictive isn’t it. So lets keep it up.
             .

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 11:18 am

            More, bytch!!! Dance for me!! Again, moron!!!

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 11:49 am

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            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ………………life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 12:27 pm

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          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 12:29 pm

            500x again!! Go bytch!!!

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 12:34 pm

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life…/

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 12:34 pm

            499 to go!!!!!

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 2:59 pm

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so, please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some, happiness with your, posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 3:07 pm

            Dance!!

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 3:39 pm

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
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          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 3:43 pm

            Who are you talking to??

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 3:49 pm

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            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some .HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF.. HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts…. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 3:50 pm

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            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 3:52 pm

            Who are you talking to?

          • taek kenn January 20, 2018 at 9:31 am

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry….. on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 6:46 pm

            I’m not finished with you yet….get back to your cut and paste work.

          • taek kenn January 20, 2018 at 9:23 am

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
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            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.
            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • taek kenn January 20, 2018 at 9:31 am

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.
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            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 9:33 pm

            Slacker!!!

          • taek kenn January 20, 2018 at 9:31 am

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            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 3:29 pm

            That’s it?

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 12:34 pm

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          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 2:58 pm

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          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 12:34 pm

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS…. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 3:38 pm

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          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 2:58 pm

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            Unfortunately/ for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you .need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your .posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF .HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness .with .your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 8:25 am

            Yawnzzzzz,……

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 10:45 am

            Boy you must be desperately in need of HAPPINESS. Even answering posts not meant for you. ATTA BOY. KEEP IT UP. I know its working. Did I not guarantee it? So come on again. It’s addictive isn’t it. So lets keep it up.
             Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 10:49 am

            Hahahaha. Just kidding, bytch. Keep letting it rip!!!

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 11:09 am

            Oh yes I know . Even pajama boys get addicted to HAPPINESS. I TOLD YOU once you are caught in my web you can’t let go.
             Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 11:12 am

            Again, bytch!! Again!!

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 11:47 am

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 12:34 pm

            Pajama boy YOU ARE ONE OF THE VERY BEST FOLLOWERS. I am truly gratified.
            Unfortunately for you Trump is President and you are NOT. And he lives in the WH and Mar-a-Lago and NYC,., Trump Tower and you do NOT. And he flies on Air Force One and you fly “steerage”. But I see that you need some HAPPINESS in your life, so please carry on with your posts. We are all given ……life, liberty and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I guarantee that you will get some happiness with your posts. Please carry on. You definitely need some HAPPINESS in your very unhappy life.

          • I'mTheInfuriator'sHubby January 19, 2018 at 12:35 pm

            If you stop, you drop……go!!!!

          • taek kenn January 19, 2018 at 2:58 pm

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    • hamburgertoday2017 January 15, 2018 at 4:51 pm

      Go tell the GDP about how Trump make ‘everything’ worse.

      • Bob Acker January 15, 2018 at 4:56 pm

        I’m sort of counting on them to figure it out for themselves. I already have, and they will too, in 295 days at the outside.

  8. DisgustedwithElitism January 15, 2018 at 7:15 am

    ‘Murray sums up: “So Europeans are blamed for what is happening to them, are denied any legitimate way to object, and the views of the majority are made to appear not just dangerous but marginal.”

    Where is all this going? It can’t end well.’

    from “How Europe Built Its Own Funeral Pyre, Then Leapt In” (www. theamericanconservative. com/ articles/ how-europe-built-its-own-funeral-pyre-then-leapt-in/)

  9. Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 7:23 am

    The INS reported that 42,000, yes thousand, were apprehended trying to cross the southern border in December 2017. Before any meaningful immigration reform is possible the bleeding must be stopped FIRST. The fake horror of the left over President Trumps remarks are nothing more than a deflection to stop the building of the wall.

    Weichert has it right when he asserts the reasons both parties hesitate to take the necessary steps to stop illegal immigration. Each party has its reasons for turning away from a solution. I don’t care. They were elected to office to serve the American people–not to gain voters for its party; not to gain cheap labor for the elites.

    Trump is our best bet to finally gain border security. Build the wall.

  10. Garrett January 15, 2018 at 7:27 am

    The question is not whether America elected Trump because they hoped he would unclog the pipe, the question is whether he is actually the right man to do it. I think he’s more of a con man than a plumber. Have you ever actually heard of a billionaire populist? What about a billionaire plumber? I haven’t.

    Also, question for the author. Where are you getting this stat that most Americans want a border wall? Seems dishonest. Most recent polls say the opposite.

    • Dave781 January 15, 2018 at 8:17 am

      A populist is a politician who lies to the voters and tells them what they want to hear. That is not a good thing. So why not a billionaire populist?

      • Garrett January 15, 2018 at 10:03 am

        Don’t waste your energy arguing with me about semantics. We don’t disagree. My point is that people didn’t get the plumbing they needed when they voted for Donald Trump. They got a lier who cares only about adoration and “winning” for himself

        • Dave781 January 15, 2018 at 4:17 pm

          OK, I agree with that.

  11. Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 7:36 am

    Reads like a high school essay. Create a cute hook (plumber) and Trump as the hard working plumber just interested in fixing the problems Democrats created. (Like that is supposed to be, what.. educational? Illuminating? Try sophomoric) I’d fire my plumber if he was more interested in tweeting and watching Fox & Friends.

    • Kenny A January 15, 2018 at 8:36 am

      Yes, even by the wide-eyed true-believer standards of AG, this is an absurdly naive column.

  12. orenv January 15, 2018 at 8:00 am

    Sorry. There is too much vested interest in retaining open borders. The Democrats see their bloc of voters, the republicans (and rich democrats) see cheap labor. This is what you call win-win for the political class.

    The solution to illegal immigration is very simple. Internal enforcement. Notice how this is never discussed? Build a wall 300′ high with machine guns at the top, and people will dig under it, fly over it, boat or swim around it. Until the American people demand internal enforcement, the wall is just a panacea. The Democrats know this, but are fighting to rile up their donors. The Republicans know this and hence never talk about internal enforcement.

  13. RJones January 15, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Neither side worked to a solution to immigration because both sides agreed that allowing illegal immigration to continue achieved the desired outcome. The last thing we need is a government that works even better than this. What we need is a culture we can both agree is desirable.

  14. PC-buster January 15, 2018 at 8:48 am

    This is not a eloquently flowering piece about an eloquently flowering speaker of a POTUS and rightly so.
    Draining a swamp does not require white gloves or esoteric language.
    If I called a plumber to repair a septic tank, I would not expect him to arrive wearing a tuxedo.
    Pres Trump is the right man for the job at this juncture in time.
    God speed!

    • Marathon-Youth January 15, 2018 at 9:21 am

      Nor would you expect the plumber to scream obscenities at you for having your plumbing system in such a bad shape.

      • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 9:35 am

        The President didn’t scream anything M-Y, methinks you projectith too much.

        • Marathon-Youth January 15, 2018 at 11:14 am

          Read your comment on India based on a bad movie on Gandhi. Going by that I would not put much on your opinion.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 11:34 am

            Really? In what way was it bad? It certainly jibed with my understanding of the Indian Independence movement in general and my understanding of Gandhi in particular.

      • Bob January 15, 2018 at 9:43 am

        The only screaming I hear is from offended Democracts.

        • Marathon-Youth January 15, 2018 at 11:13 am

          The emphasis is on the language not how it is given.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 11:35 am

            Moving the goalposts yet again?

      • PC-buster January 15, 2018 at 11:03 am

        I don’t give a chit about his crude language!
        I’d rather have an obscenity spouting plumber who gets the job done than a metrosexual, America-hating Marxist who leaves the leaks in worse condition than he found them.

        • Marathon-Youth January 15, 2018 at 11:13 am

          No I do not think you would put up with a plumber who insults you. Your virtue signaling on a forum does not work in real life.

          • PC-buster January 15, 2018 at 11:28 am

            Many, if not most, politicians are the most foul-mouthed, nasty SOBs out there.
            Pres Trump is far more honest about it than most.
            BTW, my plumber insults me regularly. I laugh it off.

  15. jus1drun January 15, 2018 at 8:58 am

    Plumber schlumber………What the USA needs it got, a unique character at the helm willing to take on “the powers that be.” It happens about every half century {Jackson, Teddy R., Truman and now Trump.) Neither party is especially happy about the man in the White House. Perfect because career politicians have become staid, bureaucrats think they run the government and the MSM sheep neither think nor run anything.

    Learn to love the cold shower, it’s where we are in history and will wake us all up but thankfully not the way either of the predictable partisans of either party would have it be.

    • Dave781 January 15, 2018 at 9:06 am

      And once more you slander a great American like Harry S Truman by comparing him to Trump. How ignorant can you be? Truman WAS a career politician.

      I’m sorry that I keep running to your comments, but I have to respond to your lies.

      • jus1drun January 15, 2018 at 10:05 am

        Are you talking about Giv’em Hell Harry, the Harry Truman who unleashed the ATOMIC BOMB! Do you talk to him in your sleep?

        • Dave781 January 15, 2018 at 10:32 am

          Yeah, that Harry. No I don’t talk to him in my sleep but I have read books about him. He was almost the exact opposite of Trump in almost every way.

          And what does the atomic bomb have to do with Trump? Nothing. Do you equate being a repulsive, ignorant blowhard with making difficult decisions with regard to winning WWII?

          • jus1drun January 15, 2018 at 11:17 am

            You simply miss the point of Trump and look for their dissimilarities rather than focus on their individual importance to their unique times. We voters are lucky to have had outlets about every half century that didn’t quite fit the mold of what pundits would have us do (in Truman’s case it was elect Dewey.)

          • Dave781 January 15, 2018 at 4:10 pm

            We are NOT lucky to have Trump, whether he fits the mold or not.

          • jus1drun January 15, 2018 at 6:18 pm

            Congratulations you have no need for a Trump card. With an attitude like yours, you can be miserable anytime you like 🙂

          • Dave781 January 16, 2018 at 5:33 am

            They say that ignorance is bliss, so I suppose being miserable is the price I pay for not being ignorant.

          • jus1drun January 16, 2018 at 6:52 am

            Taking what “they” say seriously is………never mind, enjoy your misery.

          • Marilyn Zack January 16, 2018 at 2:37 pm

            Well said.

          • Marilyn Zack January 16, 2018 at 2:42 pm

            Who is “we”? You don’t speak for me! The invisible we is often used to make useless statements important. It doesn’t work or make sense.

          • Willow January 15, 2018 at 12:13 pm

            Actually Harry Truman — the best president in my personal memory — not only had similarities to Truman including occasionally losing his temper, used intemperate language, had
            excruciatingly low approval ratings (23%), was lied about, had had a business failure, and as the famous headline photo showed was deemed “sure to lose” in 1948. Like Trump, he campaigned across the entire US, spoke to the people of the country and was vilified by the coastal elite. A a lot of peoplelso as with Truman, some thoughtful brilliant people were on Truman’s side (George C. Marshall, Dean Acheson). The comparison is far from one-to-one, but is certainly a fair one.

          • jus1drun January 15, 2018 at 12:27 pm

            Welcome to the world of the mentally alert 🙂

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 1:12 pm

            Good post Willow.

          • Dave781 January 15, 2018 at 4:10 pm

            And who are the thoughtful brilliant people on Trump’s side? His own Secretary of State thinks he is a effing moron (except his language was slightly more intemperate). Did George C. Marshall or Dean Acheson ever say that about Truman? The question almost answers itself.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 4:18 pm

            I suppose you are taking General MacArthur’s opinion into consideration as well?

          • Marilyn Zack January 16, 2018 at 2:44 pm

            The question answers nothing.

      • Marilyn Zack January 16, 2018 at 2:35 pm

        😂😂😂😂😂

    • hamburgertoday2017 January 15, 2018 at 4:52 pm

      ‘Learn the love the cold shower’. Love it!

  16. Marathon-Youth January 15, 2018 at 9:17 am

    “Trump is America’s Plumber”
    Makes sense. He just his mouth to clean out America’s sewer thus the term “s**t hole”

    • Bob January 15, 2018 at 9:49 am

      Which those in attendence said he did not say- except the known truth-deprived Durban

      • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 10:30 am

        Widely reported what was said, Including Trump phoning friends to see how it would play with the base. Confirmed, as it is, by several Republicans. Then these two first ‘cant remember’ (like that is believable) then Two days later it come to them. Hard to believe some people can’t realize when they are being played.

        • Bob January 15, 2018 at 10:36 am

          Widely reported- we have seen that before. Durban or somebody else with an axe to grind says something, and if it reflects poorly on Trump the MSM launch into full attack mode. I believe those who were at the meeting- save those whose credibility is already shot. Speaking of being played…. Yet, even if Trump said this, it is a complete tempest in a tea-pot, and an excuse not to do the job they were elected to do- legislate.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 11:19 am

            Oh, so now, ‘well, maybe he said it but it doesn’t matter’. Racism and lies do matter. Yes, they should legislate, and the best way to do that is ignoring Trump. Send him the bill when it’s done. All he does is screw this stuff up.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 11:32 am

            Only if we accept your premise that Trump’s remarks–if even said–are somehow racist. A shithole is a shithole. Race has nothing to do with it. Misgovernment does.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 12:40 pm

            So misgovernment make all people from that country undesirable. And it’s coincidence they are black.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 1:11 pm

            The more you comment the stupider you become. Trump advocates a merit based immigration system. We are willing to take the best and brightest from any country. All of the racism is inside your head. Even your arguments make all the sense of one offered by a six year old. Go home to Salon–they will prize your infantilism there.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 1:28 pm

            That’s the beauty of Trump and his supporters. trump is all over the map.. he agreed with every position stated in the room.and his supporters pick which positions they prefer and ignore the rest.

            I agree Trump generally wants merit based immigration (except for his own properties, where he just wants low wage H1b visas.) But stating that all Haitians have aids, and that Africans won’t want to go back to their huts undermines his message. If he was half the genius he thinks he is, he wouldn’t have dug himself a huge hole on this.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 1:32 pm

            “But stating that all Haitians have aids, and that Africans won’t want to go back to their huts undermines his message. ”

            Where and when Matthew? Links please. Or else it is nothing more than further projections from your fevered brow.

  17. Rock Steddy January 15, 2018 at 9:18 am

    BW claims that there’s a majority in favor of building a border wall, but this is false and the article he links to proves no such thing and does not cite to a single piece of research that supports it. Clearly the majority of voters think the wall is a silly, misguided idea. I myself would probably be OK with a border wall if I thought the Mexicans would pay for it, but that wasn’t true either. A plumber once advised me that I needed to tear out all the pipes in my house and start over, at great expense, but I found and hired a different plumber who solved the problem for $150. I will continue to oppose the wall and assume that eventually more taxpayer-friendly solutions to excess immigration will be found.

  18. URstandingwhere January 15, 2018 at 9:41 am

    Maybe the plunger should cover Trumps’ pie hole. The main source of BS and lies in America. Trump is playing a TV President, and by the way his reviews are terrible. This show will close early.

    • Bob January 15, 2018 at 9:48 am

      The main source of lies is the MSM and the anti-trumpers

  19. Bob January 15, 2018 at 9:47 am

    OK. The premise of the article is correct. Yet, the notion that ‘sniping’ on both sides ruins the prospect for an acceptable compromise is not true. There may indeed be a few snippers on the far right- but you have ‘mainstream’ democrats in full-metal-jacket mode, blasting away at squirrels (i.e. Trump tweets) with anti-aircraft guns. In my mind, the unseemly and hysterical opposition to Trump is the far bigger wall to getting a deal done.

  20. Max Flasher January 15, 2018 at 9:49 am

    I have a Hispanic ( from Peru ) friend at work in Chicago who took a road trip with his family out west a few years ago. They first went to the Grand Canyon and then to see Los Angeles. He said he was surprised to see it was mostly Mexican and looked so poor. No doubt many are illegals. How has this benefitted California? Would there be any possibility of controlling illegal immigration with leftist democrats in control of the federal government?

    Los Angeles Times
    Jan. 14, 2018

    Why is liberal California the poverty capital of America?
    By Kerry Jackson

    “Guess which state has the highest poverty rate in the country? Not Mississippi, New Mexico, or West Virginia, but California, where nearly one out of five residents is poor. That’s according to the Census Bureau’s Supplemental Poverty Measure, which factors in the cost of housing, food, utilities and clothing, and which includes noncash government assistance as a form of income.”
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jackson-california-poverty-20180114-story.html

  21. Gorgar Tilts January 15, 2018 at 10:38 am

    Gorgar disagrees.

    America needs a fumigator.

  22. Kenji January 15, 2018 at 10:50 am

    The Wall is being resisted for a number of reasons. It is considered inefficient, in that it will not eliminate illegal crossing but it will cost many billions. It is considered racist, in that it is meant to deter a mostly Hispanic migration. And it is a Trump idea, so it is resisted just because Trump is radioactively toxic among the Whole Foods demographic.

    What is not being talked about enough is that it is likely being resisted by American employers, who have long benefited from a large pool that is willing to work for cash under the table, evading taxes, benefits, and worker protections. Vulnerable, cheap migrant labor hurts everyone’s job situation. If Trump is truly the non partisan plumber that you think he is, he would be smart to bring in this argument as well.

    • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 10:55 am

      Isn’t it funny how the wall in Israel works so well against a determined enemy–WITH WEAPONS–but it won’t work along the southern US border?

      • Joe Bloggs January 15, 2018 at 12:28 pm

        And does anybody remember how much illegal immigration from East Germany to West Berlin increased when the Soviet empire put up their wall.

        • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 1:21 pm

          And Joe, why is it the Intelligentsia that currently hold sway on our University campuses choose to ignore that wall that worked so well? Is it because it was meant to keep the citizens of that Marxist Utopia of East Germany in rather than keep those poor starving West Germans out?

  23. Max Flasher January 15, 2018 at 11:00 am

    Sen. David Perdue: Trump never said “Shithole countries,” “I was in the room”
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/01/14/sen_david_perdue_ridiculous_to_call_trump_a_racist.html

    The left prefers to believe that Trump said “Shithole countries” because it makes him look bad but what we have here then is a lack of a common reality which means we can no longer communicate with each other. How can we have a country without something as basic as a common reality? Does America even still exist as a country?

    • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 11:04 am

      Max, I’ve noticed the media puts out false and inflammatory stories just as quickly as possible fully knowing they will be debunked later. It works in that those who want to believe the lies as much as they want to believe in Santa Claus will never believe the later retraction.

      We are in a war of competing ideologies. For the majority we still exist as a nation. For the extreme minority that boat left the dock long ago.

      • Max Flasher January 15, 2018 at 11:13 am

        The inability to transition to a new government after an election is a classic sign of a failed state. Half the country refuses to accept Trump as president. Is America now a failed state?

        I recently read an interview with Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas who said we really don’t have anything in common anymore in this society. Isn’t commonality a necessary ingredient for a country to have? How about things like social cohesion, trust and a common reality? These are all essential ingredients for a functional society. We no longer have these ingredients in our society.

        The inner structure of our society is gone which means it’s only a matter of time before the outer structure collapses. Most likely an economic downturn will trigger social breakdown. We’ll probably go downhill like Brazil is doing. Just ever worsening social dysfunction and tribalism.

        • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 11:29 am

          I cannot disagree with your long view. (I, myself, have done as much as I can if it does happen) Societal collapse is certainly possible and there are many triggers available. We have weathered more severe storms before and the barometer had fallen just as far. I know you are old enough to remember the discord of ’68 and, at the time, I would have bet against a happy ending.

          Is the size of polarization greater now than ’68? I don’t know. One thing that is true is that there are many more echo chambers available now than then. I think that exaggerates the severity of our disagreement among the most ardent combatants.

          Much depends on how well the Republican party can come together against the onslaught of media over-reach it will face in the 2018 mid-terms. If we can hold the line there I have hopes the Union will be preserved.

          BUT–in full disclosure, I am not disagreeable to the assertion of a California, or even a full west coast, secession. I would expect a carve out for the state of Jefferson however. I do not say this lightly but an amicable divorce would be much better than the exchange of bullets and blood we suffered during the last Civil War.

          • Max Flasher January 15, 2018 at 12:09 pm

            Some say there was more social polarization during the sixties than now but that’s not true. There were a great many World War Two vets still in their forties and fifties during the sixties. That was a vast reservoir of social cohesion which was overshadowed by race riots and anti-war protests but it was quite real and did go a long way to providing a solid foundation for this society.

            That’s obviously long gone. What was once a great nation is now a severely fragmented, big pot of ever more intensely boiling hate. What was once a vast reservoir of social cohesion now seems to be a vast reservoir of people who intensely hate each other. Social cohesion and trust are the foundation of a society. We quite obviously no longer have a foundation. Plus we did not have a hard left media in the sixties that continuously stirred their big pot of anti-white racial hate.

            A few days ago I read an article in the Chicago Sun-Times about how wonderful BLM is but last year I read an interview in the Chicago Tribune with Patrisse Cullors who is a founder of BLM. She stated in the interview that Trump is “literally” killing their community. How can she say such wildly insane things without ever being challenged by the left?
            :
            If I were asked for advice on how to destroy this multiracial society, this is precisely the type of thing I’d recommend. The left, including our wonderfully progressive msm, is insane.

            I’ve always liked reading history. Something that’s always bothered me about reading history though is that you realize how distressingly common it is for societies to become insane and self destruct. Why does this happen? Why does this keep happening? Why do people periodically become insane and destroy what they worked so hard to create? I suppose it’s just a severe flaw in human nature. All we can do is hope for the best. Hopefully this time will be different. Hopefully fate will be kind to us and spare us from the abyss.

            Chicago Tribune
            August 25, 2017
            A founder of Black Lives Matter answers a question on many minds: Where did it go?

            Trump has called BLM a threat. Is the door open to talk to him?

            “We wouldn’t as a movement take a seat at the table with Trump, because we wouldn’t have done that with Hitler. Trump is literally the epitome of evil, all the evils of this country — be it racism, capitalism, sexism, homophobia.

            He has set out some of the most dangerous policies, not just that impacts this country but impacts the globe. And so for us, the answer is not to sit with him but to resist him and to resist every single policy that he’s implemented that impacts our communities.

            And … if I’m thinking about what I want my children to know in 30, 40, 50 years, I want them to know that I resisted a president at all costs, because this president literally tried to kill our communities, and is killing our communities.”

          • Max Flasher January 15, 2018 at 12:24 pm

            The first Mayor Daley ( his son also served as a later mayor ) was the mayor of Chicago during the 1968 Democratic Convention. He sided with the police against the anarchists and could never have imagined that Chicago would one day be a “Sanctuary City” where people here illegally would be protected from deportation.

            Our present mayor, Rahm Emanuel, sides with thugs against the police and has sworn he’ll fight to protect the many illegals living in Chicago from deportation. Or compare the California of 1968 to the California of 2018. In 1968, in spite of riots and protests, California was a vastly more functional state than it is in 2018.

            The difference between the Democratic Party of 50 years ago and the Democratic Party of today is like the difference between day and night.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 1:01 pm

            You’d lose 2/3 of the GDP of the country if Hillary counties left, and a huge amount of transfer payments from the blue states.

            So the union can only be preserved if the country votes republican in 2018? You should change the channel once in a while. Get outside, do something.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 1:08 pm

            Again, Matthew, I am willing to adjust to any of the possible economic changes if it means a bloodless secession. I do not wish for such a thing, but if it were to happen, better it be amicable.

            As for the mid-terms, yes–I believe the Republicans holding the majority is the best in terms of national survival. I watch all channels–even CNN and MSNBC. I find the lies they promote are more harmful than the service they provide.

            Now–if you have no solutions to offer, go back to your basement.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 1:35 pm

            You might glance at non fringe sites, but your apocalyptic views come from the fringe. ‘The country will fall apart unless we continue to let a minority get everything they demand.’

            I can see from your last comment why you’d like an authoritarian state.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 1:40 pm

            Which last comment? The one you are responding to now?
            And how about that dumped quote–‘The country will fall apart unless we continue to let a minority get everything they demand.’–where does that come from? or who? Certainly not from me.

            I am not the one who refuses to accept the results of an election. Much as I despised President Obama I still did not advocate for his forced removal. The only smell of authoritarianism seems to be wafting from your keyboard.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 4:55 pm

            Yes, the statement that we will fall apart unless Republicans win in 2018 is a reasonable synthesis of your statements. To be exact ‘the union will be preserved’ if Republicans win the mid-terms. And they have largely governed unilaterally, so we need to allow them to not compromise.

            Am I a disputing the election results? Hardly. That illuminates where some of the fevered ‘end of the country’ stuff comes from. I think Trump incompetent, ignorant on many subjects, and that the only stable governance is through compromise, which you disagree with. Your support for authoritarian rule is obvious, we need it to save the country. Fake media? Prosecute media? Lower libel laws? Can’t protest? What all authoritarian states say.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 5:57 pm

            Give me a break. If the Democrats regain the House the only legislation on the horizon would be the impeachment of Trump. Any other position you or any other liberal would advance would be a lie.

            And if you think an impeachment move would NOT tear this country apart then you are less thinking than I give you credit for. It is like Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the football. You hope that we will believe you once again that you won’t yank the football away. I no longer will fall for that.

            In the 80s the Democrats promised Reagan that if he would agree to an amnesty program they would come forward with comprehensive immigration reform. THEY LIED. Just as they lie again.

            There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore. From Tom Perez on down they have been given their marching orders–lock step or locked out.

            Do you really believe I don’t pay attention to the liberal sites? Do you really believe that we will yet fall again for “working across the aisle? The walk back from Tuesday’s meeting–all over something that is still in dispute–only demonstrates AGAIN the liberals cannot be trusted.

            Authoritarianism? Not on your life.

            I just watched five clips showing Bill Clinton and Barack Obama calling for a wall–a physical barrier–on the southern border. Now they are against it. I watched Dick Dustbin, in 2010, call for the end of Chain Migration. Yet now he claims the use of “Chain” to have racist connotations. Stop with the lies Matt–or find somene else gullible enough to believe the swill you are peddling.

      • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 12:51 pm

        So you are saying that ‘shithole’ has been debunked? So Lindsay Graham and other Republicans are lying? Or is it shithouse’ and the two giants of the senate are trying to play linguistic games? How about having a president who has the capacity to lead the country in a discussion of solutions , and we wouldn’t be dragged down in the mud.

        • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 1:03 pm

          Or Senators Cotton and Perdue are lying. Which Republican Senator you choose to believe is your business.

          I also think that “shithole” or “shithouse” , if said, is an accurate assessment of the countries described.

          As to “leading” the country in discussion–that happened Tuesday. You choose to dismiss that as most Never-Trumpers and Liberals do. I have no more time for your silly games.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 1:42 pm

            That was a photo op at the studio. Legislation emerges from Congress, its a slow and messy process. And that’s where debate happens. And Republicans haven’t been willing to subject their ideas to such scrutiny.

            The concept of Trump leading the country in that discussion is humorous. He’s a marketer, and a very good one. He creates demons and sound bites. Those aren’t the qualities it takes to resolve an issue such as this. Congress should handle it, visibly, and leave Trump out if they want results.

          • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 2:27 pm

            “That was a photo op at the studio”–huh? It was a 45 minute broadcast from the Cabinet Room. Come on Matt–you can do better than that.

          • Matthew_Snow January 15, 2018 at 3:46 pm

            ‘The studio’ was Trumps term for the setting, not mine.

  24. Michael Harrington January 15, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    Neither national party has had a strong incentive to fix immigration and have covered up their party interests with phony rhetoric. Businesses and party activists both benefit from cheap labor and dependent voters, while unorganized taxpayers pay the costs. The majority of the voters have seen enough of this game. And our broken system is NOT the fault of those immigrants gaming the system, even though the game must end.

  25. hamburgertoday2017 January 15, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Mass immigration is a goal for parts of both parties and those parts have held hostage any reasonable solution. The Democrats believe (with some good reason) that low-quality immigrants are most likely to become ‘welfare peons’ who, once given the right to vote, will reliably vote for the ‘aristocrats’ of Democratic party to keep the trough full. Economically, of course, this is insane as the importation of labor lowers wages, which lowers tax receipt which eventually empties out the government coffers creating unsustainable debt. The Chamber of Commerce types in the Republican Party have, essentially, lost their minds, talking out of one side of their mouths about ‘entitlement reform’ while the other side savors the umame of profits through continual international labor arbitrage (via imported labor) through lowered wages. A short-sighted view that somehow fails to understand that before someone can be aconsumer they need an income (which, if wages cannot produce, ‘entitlements’ create).

    The core of ‘Trumpinomics’ is to reverse this pattern of low-wage employment by (a) encouraging business growth in the US (the vast majority of serious tax reductions were on the side of business) and (b) reducing immigration-based population growth. The intended result is to increase the price for labor on the basis of supply/demand pricing while spurring industrial innovation and independence. This is a ‘free market’ approach to economic — and hence wage — growth.

    • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 4:39 am

      That’s hilarious. Let’s take one example of ‘spurring industrial innovation’- let’s support the 50k coal miners and cede green energy to the Chinese. Oh, increasing the price of labor reduces employment and hastens automation.

      • Everett Brunson January 16, 2018 at 8:37 am

        Oh, increasing the price of labor reduces employment and hastens automation.

        Glad to see you agree and have come to your senses.

        • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 8:46 am

          I was pointing out the fallacy of your argument from an economic standpoint. Higher wages without a commensurate increase in productivity are fully offset by inflation.

          Plus the estimated 5-6% increase in food costs on top of that.

          • Everett Brunson January 16, 2018 at 9:35 am

            Really? Explain how rising inflation offsets higher wages. When you do, be sure to address the following two points. With quantitative easing inflation has been artificially held down. That payment will come due at some time–probably in the near future if China continues to reduce its purchase of Treasury notes. Second, wages always trail inflation–especially as inflation is a compound rate of increase and wage increases are linear.

            Finally, Seattle finally had to admit, recently, how increases in minimum wages actually resulted in a loss of jobs. Explain that away, if you can.

          • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 10:48 am

            You seriously don’t get that inflation offsets wage increases. Or that QE increases money supply and thus is generally expected to increase inflation. I can’t teach you Econ. On one more: wage growth aligns more closely to inflation expectations than inflation. Common sense as well as empirical.

          • Everett Brunson January 16, 2018 at 11:06 am

            Nice try but your reply doesn’t track. I also notice you failed to answer two simple questions. Inflation expectations is no more than cottony clouds–they dissipate as the air pressure increases. Real inflation is another matter.

            Try looking at purchasing power instead. Compare wages to buying power in, oh let’s say 1960, and then compare that same purchasing power to 2017. The average wage earner in 1960 had more buying power than does a wage earner in 2017 when all (wages and prices) are adjusted for inflation. Hence, my assertion that wages DO NOT keep pace with inflation and any assertion otherwise is claptrap.

            Then, if you are able, go back to your assertion that rising wages DO NOT lead to increasing automation. It’s already happening in every fast food chain in the nation! And it is the fast food industry that provides the most entry level jobs.

            Just like everything libs do to artificially manipulate the economy it fails the ones who need assistance the most. If teenagers cannot enter the economy because there are not enough entry level jobs they will not build the work history or work ethic to be able to perform in higher level, higher paying jobs. It does nothing more than build a permanent underclass. Which, if you are honest, is the goal of the Democrat Party.

          • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 12:40 pm

            Your responses show you are unable to process my responses, and your economic expertise is limited to political arguments. You inserted a nonsensical ‘not’ into a brain dead statement that higher wages without productivity gains aren’t a windfall. I’ve got 6 years of finance and Econ education and a CFA. I knew a that can’t complete with your blog education, but I’m not wasting my time. Good luck in your pretend educated world.

          • Everett Brunson January 16, 2018 at 12:49 pm

            So you try to impress with your bona fides but cannot answer a few simple questions. Then try to make it simple for a stupid person such as myself.
            1. How does inflation offset wage gains in the absence (or presence) of increased productivity.
            2. Square that with the drive for higher wages is leading to an increase in automation–thereby eliminating entry level jobs.
            3. Again, addressing your inflation/wage offset issue, explain the real decline of purchasing power in the last 60 years.

          • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 2:18 pm

            If you doubled the wage of everyone in America, could they buy twice as much? No, real output has not changed. A basic tenet of economics is that prices would double. The same reason QE was supposed to create inflation, more dollars chasing the same real output.

            Automation is not being driven by higher wages. Largely it’s being driven by technology. A factory owner can now get equipment that works 24/7, doesn’t get sick, and in the last decade or two, is cost justified. That’s creates ‘real’ output gains, but those flow to the owner of the company, not the displaced worker. (And a note as to the scope of this: in what year did America manufacture the most products ever, in real dollars? 2017, with 25% less workers. Coal has 90% less.)

            Real GDP per capital has steadily risen, except for the Great Recession. But most of the gains have gone to the rich, more favorable tax policies, automation, offshoring. The middle class has gotten squeezed, and the forces are more complex and irreversible than ‘its the Chinese or Mexicans’.

            We’re going to have several million unemployed truck drivers in ten years. And much richer trucking company owners. Where’s that discussion?

          • Everett Brunson January 16, 2018 at 3:09 pm

            Finally, a thoughtful answer. That wasn’t so hard.

            I couldn’t agree more. Automation is going to displace many, many current workers and the ripple effect will be felt for a long time to come. That is why I think we are seeing more trial balloons being raised regarding a Universal Basic Income.

            I think we are seeing pressure the most at the bottom (entry level) and middle (industrial) parts of the scale, and as you’ve said the transportation industry will soon be facing its own issues as driverless cars and trucks begin to get approval for over the road applications.

            When we began the transition from horse and steam power to electrical and petroleum more jobs opened up and displaced workers could find more and varied opportunities. During the 70’s and 80’s, as industrial opportunities began to dry up (due to automation and off shoring) the jobs sector moved to the service industry. Now, however, there doesn’t seem to be any places where workers can shift.

            I feel, and have said twice now–that the wage demands for entry level workers have accelerated the shift to robotic workers and that demands for higher minimum wages were short sighted and hurt those it was meant to help.

            You say the forces are more complex and irreversible than ‘its the Chinese or Mexicans’.but they are an integral part of the equation. Encouraging more migration (legal or illegal) of low skilled individuals will only make a bad situation worse.

            This goes directly to the heart of what the President is advocating. And treating him as cruel and heartless (not accusing you but the media and the left as a whole) and clueless is a great and grave disservice.

            One cannot escape the fact that the importation of illegal and low skilled workers have hurt black Americans and entry level workers directly. Establishing a taxing system that not only encourages off shoring of factories, but also the off shoring of profits hurts Americans directly.

            One can talk globalization until the cows come home, but policies designed to benefit only the highly educated and the elite will not end well. You admit, yourself, that automation will only help the owners and stock holders.

            Encouraging the areas where job creation can occur and creating the circumstances that encourages new businesses through deregulation will ease future pain and allow the country to make the shift to a newer paradigm.

            Neither Bernie Sanders nor Hillary Clinton had the answers to these problems. They talked mightily of income inequality but never had a plan to address it other than more taxes on the rich. Anyone who has seen and understood the movement of capital and capital holders from high tax states to low tax states see the folly of that for an answer.

          • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 3:49 pm

            I agree with some of your points, but others contradict.

            First, high level: In 2000, Gore counties accounted for 8% more GDP than Bush counties. In 2016, Clinton counties accounted for a whopping 28% more GDP than Trump counties. 64% to 36%.And many of the Clinton counties (NY and CA in particular) are high immigration. So low tax/low services hasn’t enabled then to keep up.

            You say high wages encourage automation. Agree, but reducing immigration increases wage pressures substantially in some areas and vocations, which by your argument increases prices too. Labor costs for Texas home building, for example, have had double digit increases, even before Harvey. Getting rid of immigrant farm workers would be a disaster. A good friend of mine, a restaurant owner and ardent Trump supporter said he’d have to close without immigrant kitchen workers. Who would that benefit?

            We need an intelligent discussion of where we need immigrant labor, how much and what skills. I’m not hearing it. I’m not saying I agree with what. We have now. But the discussion is dumbed down to the point that it can’t fix the problems.

          • Everett Brunson January 16, 2018 at 4:24 pm

            Part of the immigration talks have included the need to revamp the temporary guest worker program. You are spot on regarding Ag–but the key is “temporary worker”–they pick and then they go back home. In the restaurant industry–this again goes back to entry level workers.

            As long as we import cheap labor this problem will continue–but that also puts an enormous strain on entitlements–and I include education as well as health and monetary assistance. In short, tax payers are subsidizing, indirectly, the food prep industry. It is no savings but a shifting of costs.

            Instead these are jobs that could be filled by teenage workers. I will grant that we live in a society that looks down on such jobs–but that is a societal issue that can be addressed–and it isn’t a human rights issue.

            As to the intelligent conversation–Trump is trying to have that now. You have to admit that the left and many on the right are sabotaging the discussion in order to serve special interests. THAT is not serving the American people. Dick Durbin has created a publicity stunt to derail the meaningful conversation to protect the Democrat self interest at the cost of US citizens. Lindsey Graham is his co-conspirator in my opinion. The summit in the Cabinet Room was too successful and they risked having to give in to the 4 pillars that Trump was insisting on for DACA to pass. They couldn’t have that–so now we have been subjected to 5 days of shitholes nonsense.

          • Everett Brunson January 16, 2018 at 4:37 pm

            Second of a two part answer. I don’t want to ignore your first paragraph. It is no surprise that the Gore Counties have a higher GDP–they are, after all, located in the major population centers. You could have used the Hillary Counties as well even giving up certain counties in Pennsylvania. That doesn’t change anything.

            An agrarian based society must produce many, many times the product to purchase finished goods. That was true in 1861 and still true today. The financial and technological centers are located in major metropolitan areas. But it is the GDP of the entire country that comes together to determine the health of the country. One can produce all the printed circuit boards in the world but it will make little difference if there is no food to eat.

            As to them being high immigration states (Cal. and NY) true. But there is now a raft of articles showing that the true cost of cheap labor and illegal immigration is coming home to roost–especially in California. Parts of LA, San Diego, Sacramento, and San Francisco are beginning to resemble Port Au Prince. Homelessness is out of control. I just read a story in San Diego where 12 good Samaritans were arrested for feeding the hungry. Think about that–it isn’t an isolated incident. The state is arresting its citizens for feeding–at their own cost–other citizens.

            Moreover–even technical workers with decently paying jobs are living in their cars because they cannot afford housing. That is insanity.

      • hamburgertoday2017 January 16, 2018 at 1:00 pm

        Ever heard of ‘clean coal technology’? That’s an area of technological innovation that requires coal. And, it’s true that increasing the price of labor can increase the deployment of automation. On the other hand, automation has been with industrial capitalism from its beginnings. It never goes away. So, picking out one of economic policies as being questionable due to the implications of automation is rather short-sighted. We need automation and increased wages. Some things are unlikely ever to be done by machines.

        • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 2:59 pm

          Clean coal would be, but it has struggled. What would have been the biggest US project was cancelled last summer, billions over budget.

          Automation has been around, but seems to have picked up momentum in the last decade, and is going to be very disruptive. It’s moving into new area in huge ways (like driverless vehicles.) We can’t stop automation, and shouldn’t, but we need a discussion on how to have automation and good wages. I haven’t heard it. I’m eagerly waiting to hear that.. its a difficult discussion, and it’s not as simple as blaming Mexicans.

          • hamburgertoday2017 January 16, 2018 at 3:59 pm

            As I’m sure you’re aware, technological innovation is difficult to predict. The ‘new automation’ is driven (much like earlier forms) by combining technologies in unexpected ways. In this case, the computer is being added to various other technologies — robotic armatures — to produce new levels of precision and ‘autonomy’.

            I don’t think there is a permanent answer to how one can have wide-spread automation and high employment (necessary for high wages) other than to enhance both the size and density/complexity of an economy. Maybe someone smart will come up with a way to do both without succumbing to central planning, but I haven’t seen the proposal…yet.

            As for ‘blaming Mexicans’, that seems like a non-sequitur. I do not see Mexico or Mexicans as a problem (any more than I see America and Americans as a problem).

          • hamburgertoday2017 January 18, 2018 at 8:59 am

            Hello Matthew: I replied a while back but Disqus ate my reply. With regard to automation, it is different at each stage of industrial development. The addition of computers and precise armature is simply a form of automation in keeping with our current state of technical development.

            As for whether this new form of automation will be ‘very disruptive’, it really depends upon the economic context. If the economy grows at a rate — and in a manner — that allows displaced labor to find other employment, then it won’t be as disruptive. Since capitalism is an economy guided by investment by holders of capital resources, economic development is not predictable so far as labor is concerned. However, any ‘command economy’ seems to fail catastrophically.

            Within the capitalist mode of production, one possibility for ‘displacement compensation’ is to require that business above a certain size provide dividend-paying shares to displaced workers so that, at least marginally, labor, too, can receive some of the benefits of automation. Just a thought.

          • Matthew_Snow January 22, 2018 at 4:39 am

            In general, and I sense you’d agree, people who think they know the future are fools. We can analyze and model, discuss, and weigh probabilities, and prepare accordingly.

            History is fill of ‘displaced people won’t find work’ chicken little moments. (Or at least work sufficiently available and compensated to increase the countries overall well being). Is this another of those moments? Possibly.

            But it isn’t hard to paint a less rosy scenario. As automation replaces more and more of the ‘good middle class’ jobs.. where will those people go? For example, the millions of truckers likely to be displaced in 10-15 years. A guess would be, after severe personal disruption, to lower paying jobs for many. What might be left are ‘high skilled’ jobs that can’t be automated and service jobs, typically lower paying.

            Will this happen? I think yes, but would it be manageable by the invisible hand? Depends on assumptions and ideology. Where I think politicians have failed us is twofold:

            We are not discussing the problem. It’s easier to say politically that our jobs are taken by Chinese and Mexicans. That’s one part of the debate, but would not, in any conceivable outcome, solve the problem. The other is that the increased pace of innovation has upended the traditional balance between capital and labor. Returns have increasingly been going toward capital, the owners of the machines, naturally. So what have we done over the last 20 years? Exacerbated rather than mitigated that tilt. Why on earth is return on labor taxed at a higher rate than return on capital? Basic economics states that will discourage labor and encourage capital. Is that what we want?

            What could we do? I’m leery of industrial policy, and not ready for a guaranteed income. But discuss these! In the meantime, maybe the government can find a way to support in some way more basic research that won’t pick winners and losers as much as enable winners. Right now we’re chasing fossil fuels while the Chinese are taking over clean tech. Who’s going to be the winner in 50 years?

          • hamburgertoday2017 January 22, 2018 at 10:59 am

            My view is that investing in ‘petro’ is really what we have been doing forever. The dollar is, essentially, a petro-dollar. We are just shifting where the ‘petro’ resides from the Middle East to the US.

            One of my ‘rules’ for decision-making is, ‘When presented with no good options, select the option that leaves open the most possibilities for future action’. I think we are at such a juncture. We’re not going to solve the ‘problem’ of automation, or taxing labor higher than capital in the near future, so we play for time and hope to use it wisely.

            Can we have a representative democracy where a significant number of people are just paid to consume? The fall-out from President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society programs would suggest otherwise. Can we just continually replace human beings with machines and expect them to accept less-well-paying jobs as compensation for higher productivity overall and (theoretically) lower prices? Do lower prices matter if you don’t have money to spend?

            I don’t think the current political class is able to think these kinds of problem through, and, frankly, after decades of indoctrination, I don’t think the intellectual classes are able to think constructively and flexibly about these issues either.

            Years back, in the 80’s there were people thinking about these problems, one could even say Ted Kaczynski is part of that thinking (for all his flaws). Andre Gorz is another (specifically ‘Paths to Paradise’). I’m not saying I endorse these thinkers’ solutions, only that they were thinking about the problem of advanced industrialization.

  26. Doctor Bass Monkey January 15, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    Must have struck a nerve to have this many trolls in a lather.

    • Everett Brunson January 15, 2018 at 5:58 pm

      My fault Doc. I tried engaging Matt Snowden. A mistake I didn’t rectify.

      • Matthew_Snow January 16, 2018 at 4:34 am

        Nah, we’re just curious if there are limits to the rationalizations of the non-thinkers. Nope, Trump was right when he said he could shoot someone and his supporters wouldn’t care.

  27. calhounite1 January 16, 2018 at 4:52 am

    NONE from ANY shiethole, shiethouse, hellhole, hellhouse PERIOD. Like nada.

    Think about it. The devils wanting out ARE the creators of their shietholes. Who gets access to education and other governmental benefits in these shetholes so that they can make themselves presentable enough to get out? Not the wretched masses trapped in these hellholes. THE ELITE – the hellhole CREATORS. Now what are these devils going to study? Shiethole improvement? No, some field their particular shiethole couldn’t employ more than 1 of.

    Thank god for Saint Donald. Should get Nobel Peace Prize for forcing these devils to remain in their shietholes, leaving them no choice but to improve them, thus helping the wretched masses to a better life. And he’s keep their godforsaken ideas about the benefits of corrupt, autocratic government out of the US.

  28. bloatedfed January 16, 2018 at 8:36 am

    Term limits (2 terms total regardless of which body)…significantly reduces the need for special interest big money – because the payoffs take time – and time you ain’t got..Get the fossils (Waters, Lewis, Durbin, Pelosi. McCain) and crooks (Waters, Lewis, Durbin, Pelosi. McCain) out ASAP.

  29. Frank Byrne January 16, 2018 at 9:31 am

    I appreciate and have used the plumbing metaphor previously. The border is a broken pipe. One side wants to fix it, albeit with little to no sense of urgency, because let’s face it, that extra water has some advantages to some of their best friends, i.e. donors. The other has decided they have too much to gain by all the extra water and do whatever they can can to prolong the flood.

  30. mw006 January 16, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    The author is right that this isn’t about immigration for the democrats. It’s about changing the demographic character and composition of the country to something to akin to California so they can rule the nation similarly as a left-wing, one-party state. Once that happens, you can kiss all other issues goodbye. It will be left-wing tyranny for as far as the eye can see. As usual, Trump’s instincts are right on this and establishment Republicans clueless about the Left’s true aims and the fatal consequences of agreeing to a bi-partisan “solution.”

  31. OkiefromMuskogee January 16, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    Apropos, since W.D.C. has become a s—hole.

  32. BCML January 17, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    Trump is not America’s plumber. He is the lump of excrement that is plugging America’s toilet.

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