The Nightmares and the Realities of Never Trump

By | 2017-05-23T20:30:14+00:00 May 17th, 2017|
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Rarely in the last half-century have so many elite conservatives and intellectuals been so estranged both from a Republican administration and from those who voted for it—neither have they become so animated in their antipathy and disgust for a sitting president.

During the 2016 election, and the current Trump presidency, there have appeared four implicit tenets to the conservative “Never Trump” position that, we are supposed to understand, justified not voting for him, actively opposing him, or voting for Hillary Clinton:

1) The character flaws of the inexperienced and uncouth Trump would eventually nullify any positive agenda that he might enact; not opposing such a boorish character undermines one’s reputation as an empirical and fair-minded conservative;

2) Trump is a liberal wolf in conservative sheep’s clothing; at any given moment he will break his campaign promises and revert to his 1980s New York Democratic self. Or, Trump has no ideology and is an empty vessel willing to embrace almost any ideology he finds efficacious to his ambitions of the moment. Either way, he will do the conservative cause real damage;

3) Trump’s base supporters, while not irredeemables and deplorables, are prone to nationalist extremism and embrace certain prejudices that are antithetical to conservative values;

4) Clinton’s progressive agendas would not do as much damage to the nation as would Trump’s uncouth character. Thus the defeat of the Republicans in 2016, or the failure of an ensuing Trump presidency, would be cathartic. Only a Trump implosion would teach Republicans never again to allow such an untried and dangerous populist nationalist without political experience to highjack their party, while cleansing the movement of some odious figures and unpalatable ideas that have no business in it—or both.

How true have these nightmares so far played out?

#1 Character is Armageddon?

Trump, the president, certainly has continued his erratic and mercurial behavior in the manner of Trump, the candidate. His tweets are often incoherent (and yet also prescient in odd ways) and pursue the trivial. His habits—largely living alone in the White House, short on sleep, tweeting in the early hours—add to his irascibility. The White House operations reflect Trump’s own impulsiveness.

But all that said, Trump’s character defects have not so far derailed his conservative agenda, in some part because many of those who hate him—the media, academics, and the progressives—have acted so unhinged that they themselves have lost all credibility and now seem to belong in the pages of the National Enquirer.

Never Trump cadres rightfully object to the invocation of the classical logical fallacy of tu quoque. While liberal hypocrisy does not excuse evaluating Trump on his merits, in a world of flawed politicians, the media and critics nonetheless focus rarely on Trump’s accomplishments and almost always on Trump’s sins. And they do so in such an unbalanced manner that similar treatment of Obama (daily focusing on Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, and Bill Ayers; late night comedy about presidential ignorance that the Maldives were in the South Atlantic, or that corpsmen was pronounced with a hard p; daily emphases on serial untruth from the Benghazi disaster to the ACA to the Iran Deal, while mired in scandals that tarnished the VA, IRS, NSA, and Justice Department) would have caused hysteria.

While liberal hypocrisy does not excuse evaluating Trump on his merits, in a world of flawed politicians, the media and critics nonetheless focus rarely on Trump’s accomplishments and almost always on Trump’s sins.

Trump, it is rightly said, is his own worst enemy. The Never Trump mantra that “character is destiny,” and thus Trump in Nixonian style is doomed, may one day prove true. But for now the media is reduced to obsessions with Trump’s daily portions of ice cream (two scoops instead of one?) or peddles fake news that his wife was once an escort or that Trump frolicked in sick sexual antics in Moscow, and on and on. In the grand scheme of things these obsessions are far less important than the resumption of the Keystone and Dakota pipelines, a 70 percent drop in illegal immigration, and the appointment of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

In the case of Never Trump, a week of relative Trump quiet and good economic or foreign affairs news earns either a minute of quiet, or a begrudging nod, while a media frenzy over another Trump crudity brings out the inevitable “I was right all along.” More glee arises from an unsourced Washington Post rumor than news of new energy development or ongoing restoration of deterrence abroad. All this begs the question of whether the Never Trump group ever remembered why and how such a polarizing figure won the election and the presidency instead of another sober John McCain or judicious Mitt Romney, or what would be the consequences of a failed agenda for the country at large?

Introspection is not advice to withhold criticism when Trump exhibits his character flaws, but a call to at least appreciate the tragic situation that half the country finds itself in: a flawed character has a better chance of enacting key conservative correctives than did his occasionally moral superiors—a paradox to be explored by reasoned conservative audit rather than through hysteria or self-referential snark.

#2 Backsliding Conservative?

Assumption #2 is mostly already refuted.

True, Trump is a volatile figure and without a long conservative pedigree, but so far he has kept to his word in nominating conservative and highly competent judges to the federal courts. His executive orders on deregulation, energy production, and illegal immigration are likely more conservative than those of any Republican president since Ronald Reagan.

The ongoing effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act and scheduled tax reform are antithetical to the entire Obama-Clinton agenda. Trump has assembled the most impressive and capable national security team (James Mattis, H.R. McMaster, John Kelly, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, etc.) since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. Other appointments like Tom Price, Scott Pruitt, Jeff Sessions, and Ryan Zinke are the sorts whom Republican presidents of the past might nevertheless have passed on as unnecessarily polarizing in their true-blue conservatism.

The pre-presidential fears about a populist nationalist rather than conservative Trump (e.g., that he would erect punitive tariffs, dry up global trade, start an unnecessary war, or crash the economy) have not materialized. Very preliminary statistics concerning economic growth, labor participation, energy production, the stock market, and business and consumer confidence are all positive. In just three months, Wall Street has concluded that Trump is most interested in growing GDP and with it good-paying jobs.

Illegal immigration is reportedly down some 70 percent while executives in the steel, coal, and manufacturing industries report a new confidence not seen in years. While it is possible that in the future a volatile and unpredictable Trump will become frustrated with an ossified Republican congress and turn to Democrats, as yet there is simply no evidence that Trump is not following a conservative agenda.

The pre-presidential fears about a populist nationalist rather than conservative Trump (e.g., that he would erect punitive tariffs, dry up global trade, start an unnecessary war, or crash the economy) have not materialized. Very preliminary statistics concerning economic growth, labor participation, energy production, the stock market, and business and consumer confidence are all positive.

There may well be widening fissures ahead in the conservative/Trump divide, as establishment Republicans find no need for a wall on the southern border. They may worry about Trump’s jawboning of private companies that have a right to outsource/offshore as they please. Trump’s tax cuts and refusal to address entitlement spending will acerbate already swollen deficits and debt. Yet, these are still not existential differences—at least not yet. So far Trump’s first 100 days are more conservative than the policies that both John McCain and Mitt Romney ran on.

#3 Nuts, Bigots, and Assorted Unhinged Populists?

The third worry of Never Trumpers about the dark strains and elements within the Trump movement has also proved so far groundless. The smears against the Make America Great Again crowd were more media-generated narratives that spun and exaggerated Trump’s campaign rhetoric.

So far Trump’s working class, populist supporters have been behaved and focused on the Trump energy and jobs agenda, as well as his refreshing lack of political correctness. Trump has made no racist or anti-Semitic appeal to gin up enthusiasm, but rather has gone out of his way to try to win over minorities and women with promises of economic growth.

So far all the political violence associated with the election of Trump, from Inauguration to the latest campus rioting, has been on the Left. No pro-Trump crowds don masks, break windows or shut down traffic. The crudity in contemporary politics—from the constant sick jokes referring to First Family incest, smears against the First Lady, low attacks on the Trump children, boycotts of the Inauguration, talk and dreams of killing the president—is on the liberal/progressive side.

Even Trump’s poorly prepared first immigration order did not target Muslims per se, but instead echoed Obama’s earlier apprehensions about unvetted refugees from seven volatile Middle Eastern nations (a small fraction of the world’s Muslims). Its subsequent and improved version (that did not target green-card holders, for example) will eventually pass Supreme Court muster.

So far all the political violence associated with the election of Trump, from Inauguration to the latest campus rioting, has been on the Left. No pro-Trump crowds don masks, break windows or shut down traffic. The crudity in contemporary politics—from the constant sick jokes referring to First Family incest, smears against the First Lady, low attacks on the Trump children, boycotts of the Inauguration, talk and dreams of killing the president—is on the liberal/progressive side. The entertainment industry’s obscenity and coarseness have been picked up by mainstream Democratic officials, who now routinely resort to profanities like s–t and f–k to attack the president. Almost every ethical code—television journalists do not report on air private conservations with their guests during breaks, opposition congressional representatives do attend the Inauguration, Senators do not use obscenities—have been abandoned in efforts to delegitimize Trump.

When Hillary Clinton assumed the mantle of the “Resistance,” she was deliberately using a metaphor to convey the idea that she is analogous to a French patriot under occupation and Trump is a veritable foreign Nazi belligerent.

#4 A Preferable Clinton Agenda?

From the opposition to Trump’s first 100 days, we can sense where the Clinton agenda was headed: a Supreme Court pick further to the left than Merrick Garland; expanded race/class/gender themes across cabinet offices; a likely single-payer health system; higher taxes and more regulations, a radical climate change menu, and increased identity politics.

Any presidential election is a zero-sum game; a Republican staying home was a vote for Clinton in the fashion of a Sanders supporter sitting out 2016 was a vote for Trump. Far from a Clinton victory being a catharsis, it would have green lighted more illegal immigration, expanded the themes of the Eric Holder/Loretta Lynch Justice Department, and lost the Supreme Court for 20 years.

As far as a catharsis, it has already occurred though perhaps in ways not anticipated. A reported 92 percent of Republicans voted for Donald Trump, even if in some cases on the low-bar assumption that 51 percent of something was better than the alternative.

Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election, and with it ensured at least 12 and likely 16 years of a hard progressive government.

A Never Trump movement, I think it is fair to say, had absolutely no influence on the 2016 election. In theory, elites may have convinced a few key Republican voters in swing states to stay home or to vote for Hillary Clinton; but in reality they were far outnumbered by huge numbers of new Republican voters who saw in Trump hope that they did not in far more experienced and sober men of character.

Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election, and with it ensured at least 12 and likely 16 years of a hard progressive government.

Finally, there was something deeply wrong in the Republican Party that at some point required a Trump to excise it. The Republican Party and conservative movement had created a hierarchy that mirror-imaged its liberal antithesis, and suggested to middle class voters between the coasts that the commonalities in income, professional trajectories, and cultural values of elites trumped their own political differences. How a billionaire real estate developer appeared, saw that paradox, and became more empathetic to the plight of middle-class Americans than the array of Republican political pundits is one of the most alarming stories of our age.

Trump was not so much a reflection of red-state Americans’ political ignorance, as their weariness with those of both parties who ridicule, ignore, or patronize them—and now seek to overturn the verdict of the election.

About the Author:

Victor Davis Hanson
Victor Davis Hanson is an American military historian, columnist, former classics professor, and scholar of ancient warfare. He was a professor of classics at California State University, Fresno, and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. He has been a visiting professor at Hillsdale College since 2004. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush. Hanson is also a farmer (growing raisin grapes on a family farm in Selma, California) and a critic of social trends related to farming and agrarianism.
  • Blackfox

    Compared to the antics of his enemies Trump is a veritable paragon of virtue. Plus he is smart and effective. I am confident that Trump, at the end of his terms in office, will be remembered by historians as the president who saved and revitalised the Republic. Let the best and the brightest choke on that.

    • mauloa

      Well said. The Republican party leadership is the loser here. They have never fully backed nor supported Trump from the beginning and certainly not now. When Trump is besieged by nefarious and dark secret combinations – the party either joins the dark side or sits twiddling their thumbs. Trump has always been in it by himself (other than his administration) and always will be – that is why he is successful. The Republicans holding all three branches is because of Trump – not because of any other individual or group sitting in the hallowed halls. Hopefully he can last through this barrage.

      • Nat10000 weak.and stupid– everyone saw it during the campaign , and each day, more and more republicans see that it is true. He gone before Labor Day– and if collusion is proven it an.interesting moment– i imagine the house will impeach him in order to.prevent the movement to install Hillary and impeach Gorsuch. It’s hard to.predict where things will end but the deplorables will surely turn on the republican.congress, and when we take it over I expect we will find a way to install Hillary as president.

        • mauloa

          You sound like a wannabe grade C intrigue movie – and a very sad one at that. I could explain to you why your thesis isn’t possible – but I’m sure you would not understand.

          • Nat10000

            Oh, sure.. Either that or u actually couldn’t really explain it.

        • Hominid

          What’s “collusion” mean? Collusion in what? If you mean collusion to win the election, there is NO law against it as long as it doesn’t involve direct tampering with procedures or ballots. There is NO crime to investigate. This is another make-believe Valerie Plame “scandal.”

          • Susan Paxton

            The Plame scandal was not make believe. I suggest you learn to read, in a hurry.

        • Fred Doe

          Impeach him for WHAT? Be precise and present the evidence, not multiple rumours, unsourced stories, completely unverified charges and lies.

          • Nat10000

            No, u r wrong. . when the republicans get sick enough of that ass, they will notneed a reason, andthee WILL NOT BE ONE. they will putforth some nominal reason 4 formalitys sake but the real reason will be that he is weak, stupid, wholly ineffectual, Andre appeals only to the party’s simplest and most servile and racist , alllined up for their turn with him.

            As far as an actual reason right now, his attempt to squash the Flynn investigation will do. So will the summary of the Mueller report.

            And he will provide new reasons every fortnight Cuz he was born a weak and stupid child of privilege whom only a right wing half man is dumb enough to worship and fellate

          • Fred Doe

            So you have NOTHING. Why am I not surprised in the least?!

          • Nat10000

            U dont get it. People hate that guy– and hate that someone that pathetically degraded in all realms of respectability was elevated to a position of honor by the rabble the FF’s worried would– if given the opportunity– make poor decisions that conflict with their interest, which they lack the wisdom to do discern ; consistently misunderstand.

          • Fred Doe

            You don’t get it. You have Trump derangement syndrome imparted onto your weak easily led mind by a corrupt MSM.

          • Nat10000

            And that ^ right there is another thing. I was noting it last night, elsewhere.. From the aping of the “fake news,” to.the labeling of liberals as “fascists,” and now to the “weak easily led” thing.. The right reads a description of itself and accuses its rivals of actually possessing the trait. Or it projects its own traits onto its rivals and then.says it twice as often and loud.

            And trump’s a pussy

          • Fred Doe

            My god, you are completely mindless!

          • Nat10000

            And one other thing .. Off topic but I wanna know..u were into that whole “Obama wasn’t born here” bit, right?

            And in twofold; first, that that Obama wasn’t, and 2nd. That someone born elsewhere must not be prez Cuz the C says they can’t

          • Fred Doe

            And so you double down on having absolutely nothing!
            You would be comical if you and your kind weren’t an immediate danger to the republic!

          • Nat10000

            Ok, so I think..that u would have denied the birther thing if it hadn’t applied.

            I will bet money that when u heard that idiot trump press onward on.the birther thing u felt all warm inside Cuz possibly for the first time you had a rich guy giving voice to.your most ignorant prejudices.

          • Fred Doe

            You are incapable of providing a clear and factual argument of any kind. You are dismissed.

          • Nat10000

            Ha! U silly little twit.. I wasn’t sure what u were commenting on cuz I was juggling several of u Lil mewing kitties that day. U were properly addressed.

          • Flyingdog500p

            “Your kind”? Now we know the truth behind your screed. Is that how you see this; us vs. them? If so, what makes you different from a racist, or misogynist? Our country is so much better than that. When we start down that road, and Trump is fanning the flames, encouraging hatred for anything not Trump, we are headed for disaster. We are not a country of us vs. them, we are a country of myriad ideas and backgrounds, differences yes, but more similar than different, all o which add up to the spark of greatness that is America.

          • Fred Doe

            Yes! I know how the Nat1000 kind minds work! They are completely incapable of rational deductive reasoning. They care nothing for facts, completely ignoring anything that contradicts their leftist inculcation. And for you to actualy compare a reasoned rejection of their mindlessness to racism or misogyny is on a level of stupidity almost equal to their own! These socialists/progressives/democrats and their mindless followers who see places like Venezuela, Greece and Cuba as wonders of socialist superiority when socialists take over are a clear and present danger to this republic and should not be countenanced in any way by thinking people. They threaten our entire way of life and liberty. They promote that evil they quickly turns into the next Venezuela, and then suddenly develop amnesia about their support when the results of that support turn into the disaster that it always does, or rationalize that belief so that it failed simply because it wasn’t the right people who were implementing it! They forget that thinking, informed people told them exactly what was going to happen when socialists gain power because it always does! If you were truly a thinking person, you would see it is DEFINITELY us versus them and they are growing in numbers due to a lack of history and critical thinking being taught in our schools, BECAUSE THEIR KIND HAVE TAKEN OVER THE EDUCATION SYSTEM!

          • Flyingdog500p

            Your response was telling. It’s clear that you have no idea how liberals minds work. The truth is that liberals care just as much for facts as conservatives and like conservatives we can, at times, be swayed by pre-conceived notions which cause us to adhere to “facts” that fit our likes and not necessarily. In that we are NO DIFFERENT than conservatives. Your rejection however was not reasoned, but an ad hominem attack on people you disagree with. This is the sign of a person who cannot support their argument with logic and reason, but one who has only a superficial understanding of the facts and a person who willingly hides behind a pseudonym in order to engage in internet trolling

            I would encourage you to ask the first 10 liberals you meet and see how many of them agree with your claim about their belief in the wonders of Venezuela, Cuba and Greece. You will, I’m sure, be surprised by their answer. You might find it enlightening in other ways as well because I would be surprised if you willingly talk to anyone who holds different ideas.

            As for the rest of your response, it is basically an incoherent rant that speaks to a mind that must get all of its news from far right conservative sources and allows absolutely no time for ideas that may run counter to its own. Thus it shows a distinct lack of rational thought.

            Doug Hormann

          • Fred Doe

            The point is that democrat LEADERS believe the things I have posted and their base keeps voting for them! How can you miss the simple truth?! There is no denial that the democrat party is now socialist and that the vast majority supported Chavez and the leaders in Greece. If you deny those things then YOU are incoherent and refuse to see real facts.

          • Jane Farlow

            I will wait to see what emerges as evidence from the Special Prosecutor’s investigation. There is real worry over treason out here in the country. There is worry over Trump’s conflicts of interest deriving from his refusal to separate himself from his business dealings, plus the possibility of criminal activity arising from those dealings which may also involve shady contacts with shell companies set up by Putin pals and oligarchs from former Soviet Union countries. I want my mind set at rest that none of this is true before I can think of Trump as a real POTUS.

          • Fred Doe

            Please investigate the latest news about the Seth Rich murder.
            The entire, fact and evidence free democrat created fantasy about Trump/Russian collusion is completely falling apart. It would seem that there is now evidence that he was the hacker/democrat employee who released the wikileaks emails and was most probably murdered by the DNC and that the Russian fantasy was simply an invented distraction away from the Seth Rich MURDER!!


        • BGMorgan

          You really need to up your meds. Barring that, at least read the Constitution or take a freaking civics class. Sheesh.

        • Adobe_Walls

          *Obligatory downtwinkles*
          That is completely delusional. On what grounds would Gorsuch be impeached? Even if Trump were successfully impeached, merely a theoretical possibility considering it takes 67 senators to convict, how would that lead to Hillary becoming president?

      • mmercier0921

        Eventually, those who fire the barrage must physically deal with those who survive. This is why the backsword has the double edge.

        Those who beat their swords to plowshares always plow for those who did not.

    • anotherhappywarrior

      I hope you are right. I am starting to be concerned, though, that it is possible to win the battle and lose the war. Our own leadership in Congress works against the president, for crying out loud. We think we are effecting change by voting for representatives that share our values. They do not. Their paymasters are not taxpayers, but K Street lobbyists. Donald Trump spoke to the concerns of middle America. Is it racist to want our immigration laws to be enforced? Is it a nationalist tendency to want industry to bring jobs back to the United States for people who are desperate for work? Is it sexist or homophobic to disagree with everything the zany left cooks up regarding human rights (Bradley Manning and Bruce Jenner will always have XY chromosomes.)? Hillary Clinton is not the president, thank God, but the leftward March never stops.

      • The answers to your questions are a simple, “No” as they have always been. What’s new is the false accusation of “hatred” for each simple act of disagreement.
        Well, that plus the ability to reinforce that message through every device you own.

        • anotherhappywarrior

          The Obama years, with all the false accusations and name calling seems to have had an innoculating effect. It rolls right off…now. I don’t think I’m alone in that assessment.

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      • Go Navy

        This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

        They are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

        I happily give Trump credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

        While Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far preferable to a President Obama or Clinton….

        • wildbillcuster


          • Go Navy

            Yes, you are.

        • silencedogoodreturns

          You don’t read much in the way of conservative media, do you?

        • flatulento ergo sum

          Navy, read the article again. Per the above, Cruz would not have won for the reasons given by VDH

          • Go Navy

            Wrong again fake troll.

          • pogden297

            Trump polled as the WORST GOP general election candidate in virtually every poll. Any other Republican would have trounced Hillary Clinton, including winning the popular vote.

          • jim Croft

            Dream on

          • Lawrence Duffield

            Yes, “worst” in all those polls which predicted he couldn’t win at all. “Any other Republican” couldn’t even win the GOP Presidential Primary, for heaven’s sake. Get a grip.

          • Carole Smith

            Don’t you get sick of hearing about this poll and that poll and blah, blah, blah. I know Trump values them, but if the pollsters are so good, they would have known Shrillary was going to lose. On the other hand, I can’t help but be enjoying all her actions to remain relevant. The “Resistance”? My heavens, these lefties have gone bonkers. I paid no attention to polls for the past couple of years, and I don’t intend to begin doing so now.

          • Historybuff

            The last 10 days of the election, wikileaks and comey #2 swung the election to trump. 78,000 votes shifted over three states did the job.

          • BGMorgan

            He won Ohio by half a million votes. Obama won Ohio vs Romney by more. 2.6 million more voters voted in this last election than in 2012. Any other asinine unsupported cockatrices you want to spew?

          • vaccinia

            Delusion….the other candidates couldn’t even win the GOP nomination, much less the election.

          • Hominid


          • vaccinia

            Possibly…..but then, reality sometimes is.

          • Historybuff

            What reasons. Tell us.

          • flatulento ergo sum

            Republican voters who saw in Trump hope that they did not in far more experienced and sober men of character.

            Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election, and with it ensured at least 12 and likely 16 years of a hard progressive government.
            Try to kep up dummy

          • Historybuff

            So… YOU can not tell us the reasons… because you are wrong.

        • Mike Morgan

          Bovine scat is not what you should eat for breakfast, son…

          • Go Navy

            Is that ur mom’s name?

        • MidCali42

          Or McCain. Or Romney. Or…almost any other RINO.

          • Go Navy

            Trumpy IS NOT a conservative, miss.

          • MidCali42

            Considering you chose the Navy (choosing to soend months on board a ship with a bunch of guys), your misuse of the term “miss” is understandable. (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”)

            Trump may not be a conservstive. Then again, no “conservative” has governed as such for the past 30 years. At least in reapect to the Presidency, Congress of Senate. The so-called “conservatives” have been every bit as bad as the leftists (see debt, growth of government, shoft in power from citizens to federal agencies, etc.). Obviously, you care more about labels than you do conservstism. Trump has done more the implement conservstive policies than both Bush chumps put together.

            Indeed, it is sad that Trump, who isnt even conservative, is governing more conservatively than the entirety of the GOP. In fact, the GOP is trying to stop Trump.

            Now, go back to biting your shipmate’s pillow. Btw, were you the Navy guy from the Village People?

          • Go Navy

            Actually, Shiite for Brains, I was a Cryptologic officer and DID ZERO TIME ON A SHIP.

            So you’re wrong on top of being a dumbass.

        • Song ja

          I agree

        • Raptors4Jesus

          When Ted Cruz ate a booger mid-sentence during one of the debates, it was over. The man has less charisma than a crusty locker room tube sock….

        • jerseymark

          So hopelessly deluded. The GOP was inches away from its demise until the unwashed masses got involved. This is a movement largely built and led by Sarah Palin who you guys also despise given your elitist world view. It is here to stay as we do not think any better of your guys than the crazy Democrats. You have lost sight of the big picture and would have sold this country down the drain for your “principles”.

          • Hominid

            YOU guys are united with the crazy Dems – you want big gov to do things for you and you’ve formed a personality cult.

          • Go Navy

            CRUZ would have WON the popular vote, princess.q

        • Kranky Old Guy

          Go Navy said: “This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.'”

          Hey genius, this is an OPINION piece, not a news piece; and especially NOT a fake news piece.
          Learn the difference!

          • Go Navy

            Still fake news Shiite for Brains.

        • Alexander Fretheim

          And you honestly don’t think Hillary Clinton would have been a failure for this country?

          • Hominid

            Learn to read – she already said she did not vote for Hillary. Go Navy is a GENUINE Conservative, not pretenders like you Trumpsuckers.

          • Go Navy

            Yes I do. Where did you get any other idea, moron?

        • JustData

          I hope Trump appoints Cruz to replace old Ruthie Ginsberg on the USSC.
          I like Cruz. However, Cruz could never win Michigan or Pennsylvania. He got Pence’s endorsement in the primary and still couldn’t even win Indiana. Cruz would have lost by at least as many electoral votes as Trump won by.

          • Go Navy

            He wouldn’t have lost Indiana except for the shenanigans of Trumpy and Bobby Knight.

          • JustData

            ROFL. You’re a hoot.
            Lyin’ Ted pulled out all the stops and even had Gov Pence helping out, and LOST BIGLY anyway. Hoosiers want JOBS, not another corrupt insider pol giving out masses of H1B visas.

          • Go Navy

            You’re just a typical asswipe who is full of Shiite.

          • JustData

            You’re projecting. You project like a proggie. Pathetic.

      • SouthOhioGipper

        I keep hearing about these K Street lobbyists, but I don’t understand why K street would want single payer healthcare, or much higher taxes and expanded payroll taxes.

        • anotherhappywarrior

          I think single payer takes the burden off of employers. Employees cost less when employers don’t have to provide health insurance. As to the higher taxes and expanded payroll, not sure, but perhaps they see the money coming back to them in write-offs.

        • Alexander Fretheim

          Well for one thing, single payer might increase the purchase of medical supplies due to political pressure to outfit every minor ER in every podunk tiny town in Kansas.

      • Flyingdog500p

        Trump may have spoken to the concerns of middle America, but middle America was taken in by a shyster of unmitigated proportion. Coal jobs aren’t coming back, not because of crazy liberals, but because oil and natural gas are cheaper. Auto jobs aren’t coming back because the average blue color worker doesn’t understand that assembly line laborers who take two weeks to learn a skill shouldn’t earn more than person who studied for years. Immigration isn’t the problem causing low wage jobs to disappear, automation is. People in America, who have a choice, choose foreign products, not because they are cheaper, but because they are often better (although the US auto industry is finally starting to catch up). And for human rights, why does it bother you SO MUCH, how other people live. You want liberals to respect your lifestyle, great! But that sword cuts both ways.

    • werewife

      Your lips, the Holy One’s ears, some assembly required.

    • horatio

      Agreed — and to seal the deal, all the Nevertrumpers who stood athwart the path to PT’s victory should be cast into the closest thing to a worldly hell that can be found. Kristol, Lowry and the whole WS & NR crews, Erickson, Kasich, Graham, Romney, et al. are worse than the lowest Democrat. They supported Hillary Clinton, for heaven’s sake. (McCain gets a pass on the worldly fires of hell but gets the same undying disdain).

      • Hominid


        • horatio

          I wasn’t aware that Neanderthals could be so nasty – – thanks for the opportunity to block one!

      • JustData

        Nope, Amnesty McCain goes into the flames FIRST.

    • George Turner

      Trump is going to make Mount Rushmore look so much better. So much better.

    • Hominid

      La, la, la, la . . .

    • Go Navy

      This article is sad, fake news and does not reflect the thinking of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

      I have consistently supported his decisions, at least the ones he promised and is trying to deliver on. The ones he has changed his mind on e.g. U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, I call him on. I hope president Trump is the most successful president in history; failure means the failure of our country and the downfall of the GOP.

      Trump will never be the president that Senator Cruz would have been and couldn’t carry his intellectual jock-strap on his best day. That said, Trump is far preferable to Clinton or Sanders.

    • Go Navy

      This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

      They are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

      I happily give Trump credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

      While Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far preferable to a President Obama or Clinton.

      • Dave Hunter

        Do you think what McStain is doing on a daily basis is appropriate? Because he’s practically the national leader of the neverTrump (bowel) movement.

        He’s a disgrace to the GOP at this point, shipmate, IMHO.

        • Go Navy

          I didn’t vote for McCain when he ran for POTUS and am not supporting him now.

          Don’t change the subject.

          • Dave Hunter

            So you voted for Odumbo? Thanks so much…

          • Go Navy

            Wrong, Shiite for brains.

        • Go Navy

          Do you always write irrelevant comments?

    • Go Navy

      This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

      are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this
      president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would
      likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

      I happily give Trump
      credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he
      fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

      Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not
      carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far
      preferable to a President Obama or Clinton…

    • Pat Michaels

      While that may be so, President Trump is going to have a very rough ride and the Democrats are counting on peeling away his support over time.

      Trump’s election was Star Wars IV: A New Hope but we are currently in the midst of The Empire Strikes Back. How it will proceed is anybody’s guess.

      • irish19

        Not a bad analogy.

    • Danny Alt

      Is one of his enemies (and respective antics) to include the despot (and antics) of the one man Trump never says anything negative about, is Vladimir Putin and enemy?
      Or.., are Trump’s enemies limited [only] to fellow Americans with an opposing view ?

    • Song ja

      Kudos for Blackfox

    • pogden297

      Using “Trump” in the same sentence as “virtue,” “smart” and “effective” should never be allowed. Trump is one of the most dishonest politicians to ever enter the profession and he is certainly the least intelligent President to ever occupy the office. As far as “effectiveness” well he has proven more effective at tanking the Presidency in a shorter period than any one else in history…so there’s that.

      • Song ja

        Trump is dishonest? then so is Bill Clinton.

      • Alexander Fretheim

        Really? You think Trump is dishonest in comparison to most politicians?

    • Alexander Fretheim

      Or at least, a paragon of self-control, tact, manners and maturity in comparison to them.

    • sosumi idk

      The fact that the entirety of corrupt swampville has risen in wrath really does more to reassure me that Trump is sincere and on our side than anything else could.

      We shall see which side wins.

    • walkergw

      There really is just a single word for Trump supporters. Delusional. Watch, cry, but most of all, LEARN!

    • Herr Doktor H

      You are fantasizing.

  • JamesDrouin

    Spot on, Mr. Hanson, spot on.

  • Severn

    Here’s all you need to know about neverTrump and their allegiance with the left.

    Obama directs law enforcement to not pursue action against illegal immigrants – a group of people who are by definition guilty of crimes. The left and neverTrump think this is a perfectly reasonable and legitimate use of “prosecutirial discretion”. No grounds for impeaching Obama there!

    Trump (if the latest story can be believed, which is doubtful) asks law enforcement to not continue to harass a distinguished American general without any evidence of wrong-doing on Flynn’s part. The Left and neverTrump regard this as “obstruction of justice”.

    Either presidents have these powers or they do not. You cannot seriously argue that, as we have seen previously in the case of the EO’s about visas from terrorist countries, other presidents have these powers … but not Trump!

  • Severn

    Trump, it is rightly said, is his own worst enemy

    No, his worst enemy is the neverTrump “right”, the enemy within the GOP which seeks to give back to the left that which they lost at the ballot box – monolithic control of the public square and a world in which leftist shibboleths are never challenged.

    A Never Trump movement, I think it is fair to say, had absolutely no influence on the 2016 election.

    Hanson has to say that, since he and National Review did all in their power to hand the election to Hillary Clinton, attacking Trump a thousand times more ferociously than they ever did Barack Obama.

    • Brother John the Deplorable

      Rarely do I disagree with the brilliant Dr Hanson (and he was not among those at NR trying to torpedo Trump, hence his appearance here), but I believe you are correct.

      His worst enemy is his own party, determined, as you say, to return to respectable minority status having offended as few as possible at Georgetown cocktail parties.

      Trump is literally alone — there is no one anywhere in elective politics and hardly anyone in media willing to call this “revelation” after “revelation,” “bombshell” after “bombshell” what they are — pure and unadulterated bullsh!t.

      • paul

        I opine President Trump is hardly alone. I predict many depublicans are going to lose their jobs in upcoming elections for there weasel ways.
        In other words “we the people” will tell depublicans “your fired”!
        The price paid for being cowards.

        • TBill

          Cowards is exactly the right word.

        • horatio

          I fervently hope you are right, and that open season on them by name commences shortly.

          • retiredfire

            Fervently hoping for a demoncrap takeover of Congress?
            Yeah, that’ll make things better.

          • horatio

            Fervently hoping that Trump leads a primary effort to displace a relatively small, targeted group of “McCain Republicans” in the house and senate who might as well be Democrats. If done in strong Republican districts, the risks of Democrats winning instead of the Trump-supporting substitute Republican nominees could be minimal.

            In any event, without some kind of change, it looks like Republican Congress will remain ineffectual.

        • 1952rmdg

          Yes, instead of listening to those who voted for Trump to preserve American jobs and to reduce immigration, what do we get, a budget bill that expanded H-1 and similar work-related visas. With wages still trying to recover for decades of stagnation and with unemployement still high, instead of championing this large middle income voting block, these Chamber of Commerce lackeys in Congress put a big middle figure in front of these working and middle class voters who elected them along with Trump. To repeat a commonly held remark, “the GOP is the stupid party.”

          • paul

            I believe you are refering to the CR or continuing resolution which in fact was not a budget bill. The CR was obozos last influence as there were pre-approved items Pres Trump could not undo.
            This Sept will be a real budget bill and Pres Trumps first real shot at pushing through his America 1st and republican platform which includes reinstating the Glas-Steagal act. I expect a knock down floor fight and several uni-party politicians to get b*tt hurt. Pres Trump knows exactly what he is doing.
            I share your frustration but sometimes it takes a lot to make lemonade when your handed the proverbial lemon.

          • cajb11

            And yet, and yet, Pres Trump lauded the CR. So if I understand you, some in the Congress are doing things that are hurtful to Pres Trum and Pres Trump say’s it’s good. Who is the problem again?

        • Hominid

          Trump-Ryan sell-out health care bill.

          • Michele

            Let’s see if the Freedom Caucus can get it right – so far the only folks who are focused on “solving cost drivers”…

          • Hominid

            Some will hold firm; others cave. Judging from history, it’s hard to have confidence.

          • retiredfire

            The “freedom caucus” was against that which Trump insisted must remain in the healthcare law.
            You can’t be for both in that battle.
            If you support the FC for their “solving cost drivers”, you must be against Trump for not wanting to remove those.

          • Hominid

            If your for the establishment of health care as a right, if your for putting government permanently in control of the health care industry, and if you want the tax-payers on the hook for another ever-growing entitlement, you support the Trump-Ryan sell-out bill.

          • Michele

            You don’t improve something by “what you want” . They must stop nibbling around the edges of Obamacare and just shuffling the chairs. the only way to solve this is to go big, focus on ‘cost drivers’ and solve those at their root.

        • retiredfire

          Republicans losing their jobs means demoncraps get elected and Trump will have zero chance of getting anything done.
          An incumbent has an even more minuscule chance of losing a primary than losing in the general.
          You people must accept the mantle of #neverrepublican, IOW demoncrap if you insist on voting against Republicans. That “binary choice” thing happens in every election.

          • paul

            Good point and I agree I wouldnt want to replace bad rep with even badder dems but I see nothing wrong with replacing a rep incumbent with a fresh rep face.

      • roastytoasty

        I admire the many ways in which Trump drives the Left & the NeverTrumps out of their minds. Best of all, every multinational banker & board member, every professional politician and bureaucrat, every pundit and talking head KNOWS Trump commands a huge civilian army of U.S. citizens who are absolutely fed-up with their b.s.

      • George Turner

        I view it as the difference between the country club Republicans and a guy who makes a fortune building country clubs. Trump has to get things done, on time and under budget, and hire the management and staff, while the members just have to drink beer and look down their noses at the caddies.

    • Dude1394

      You are wrong about mr Hanson.

    • Whiskey Sam

      You’re right about Never Trumpers, wrong about VDH. He was one of the few voices at National Review explaining how Trump tapped into something everyone else had missed and saying he was a better option than Hillary. VDH has been labeled a Trump supporter for simply not being an NTer.

    • Dr. Hanson was a voice of reason during NRO’s Trump meltdown. He consistently offered astute analysis of the Trump Phenomenon and a sympathetic view of the “forgotten men and women” who hoped, prayed and worked for his election.

  • usamopatriot

    Victor David Hansen is nothing short of an idiot elitist trying to save his career by writing an article that is complete BS in which he tries and fails to hide his contempt for Trump and his voters.

    • Brother John the Deplorable

      Nooo…. I suggest you read a good deal more from Dr Hanson before passing judgement such as this. I have been reading his columns for 20 years and I’m here to tell you that you’re way off base here.

    • jack dobson

      Not true. VDH was one of the lone voices of sanity at National Review regarding Trump, and has expressed an understanding of the man and his supporters most “true conservatives” lack.

    • Ray Zacek

      What a perfectly stupid comment. VDH’s career is not in jeopardy nor is he hiding any contempt. He is one of the most reasonable and thoughtful writers now extant.

  • Kenny A

    Hanson, leave for your farm now. Take a good supply of books – Thoreau, Disraeli, Raspail, De Roberto – because you’re not going to want to access the web or listen to radio or TV for a year or so. Internal exile may be the only way to survive what’s coming, so be strong.

  • Peter63

    Spot on, as ever, Professor Hanson! Very hearty thanks!

  • Robbins Mitchell

    “If you strike at a king,you must kill him”…..President Trump is the King’s Knight…and the same rule applies

  • I don’t really understand why we should get so excited about NeverTrump Republicans? I became disgusted with the vast majority of Republicans not long after the Iraq War started – mainly because of their unwillingness to change their views in the face of reality (everyone is entitled to mistakes, no one is entitled to be a stubborn fool for years on end). When Trump won the Republican nomination – it got me to vote Republican despite having switched my registration to Democrat.

    I still don’t particularly like many Republicans in the Senate and Congress today – most of whom are of course working hard to undermine the Trump administration.

    Trump supporters are – like Trump – Jacksonian Democrats. Lincoln Republicans are long dead. Work to rekindle the Lincoln wing of Lincoln’s party has borne little fruit. The Republican party is not even conservative – it has come to embody war abroad and weak government at home (not small government, not limited government – weak government…people who can’t govern, who only can shut down, shout down, shut out – but not actually govern…even when they have a majority in the Congress and the White House…)

  • dallmovieguy

    It was reported this morning that Comey was asked in Congressional testimony if he had EVER been asked to DROP AND INVESTIGATION… he said never!!! He said that would be most unusual!!! did he lie under oath or is this story going to die. It is in Senate testimony…if we are to believe the two reporters.

    Here is a link

  • ata777

    NeverTrumpers epitomize ideological bankruptcy. They would have abided a thoroughly corrupt Hillary Clinton, a leftist-dominated Supreme Court, socialized healthcare, the ongoing invasion of illegals, and the continuing indoctrination of young Americans masquerading itself as education. And they would have done while crowing about the preservation of their “principles.” Personal job security in the status quo pecking order is more like it. Or perhaps more aptly, a preference for reigning in hell than serving in heaven–as long as the fire only burns the “little people.”

    • Yep, we’ll get ’em next time. With Kasich.

    • flatulento ergo sum

      Nicely said. We too often overlook the hugely needed public education reform. Betsy DeVos is a great pick to get this going.

  • cdr164bn

    I don’t think this article catches the depth and blackness of the MSM fever that is out there and their complimentary use of the NeverTrumpers statements.

    I am royally pissed right now at the Republican Party. I feel like a Sanders supporter in the Democratic Party. We voters made our wishes known. We elected a fighter because we need one to change things in Washington. George Bush took all of the abuse and then held out his bowl to ask for more. We’re sick of that.

    We gave the Republicans everything they asked for. We gave them a Congress, a Senate majority and now the Presidency. What are they doing with it, absolutely nothing. We may need to develop a honest to god third party that combines the democrats Bernie side with the rest of the conservative deplorables. Right now I have nothing to vote for and it scares me.

    • And Trump tried to make nice with the RNC that opposed him so bitterly and mendaciously. Rience Priebus was the proof of that. Now we find that Priebus is The Leaker in Chief. Pathetic. They must be crushed.

    • Schmutzli

      Totally agree. The biggest obstacle to MAGA is the Stupid Party establishment. Give us the House”, they give us Cryin’ Johnny Boehner, then replace him with Lyin’ Paul Ryan. “Give us the Senate”, they” give us Rat McConnell. “Give us the presidency”, they immediately sabotage DJT’s appointments and leak to Big Media, aiding and abetting the Deep State.

      Yet DJT is not immune to any criticism. He has meekly accepted the unConstitutional judicial stays on immigration – those judges have no jurisdiction and should be ignored, impeached, and disbarred. The wall – the centerpiece of the campaign – is still under “discussion”. The law is in place to build it, the Congress of Corrupt Cowards refuses to fund it (but we have money for Planned Infanticide and muslim immigration resettlement, among other unConstitutional expenditures). He has not cleaned out the Rspect administration appointments, which could prove to be fatal if not done immediately.

      Given that we have only a very tenuous hold on the Republic, we simply cannot settle for less than what he promised to do and what he was elected to do. No more lies. No more unkept promises. No more excuses.

  • ferdburful

    “A sober John McCain” – Really? Good grief, McCain is getting goofier and more unhinged as time goes on. I hope you were being ironic, but I don’t think so.

  • Another great article by VDH. Never-trumpeters are simply the folks that like the merry-go-round. Trump has put the whole nation on the roller-coaster. Whee!

  • amoose1959

    Bravo as usual. It is amazing how culture defines politics. The Frankfurt School skunked the “conservative” movement.

  • DKB123

    As usual … dead nuts on ….

  • Dude1394

    Again greatness by mr Hanson. Trump has been the most conservative leader in my lifetime sans Reagan. His willingness to subject himself to this gauntlet to actually try and do something about the ACTUAL problems in this country have me forever in his debt.

    The nevertrumpers national review writers, weekly standard types and especially Romney are dead to me. Whether the Republican Party wants to keep a 40+ year straight ticket voter and supporter will depend on their willingness to beat back this witch hunt. So far they seem ok, but they also seem cowardly.

  • I agree completely with Dr. Hanson’s explication of the NeverTrumpers’ positions, his subtle description of the relative absurdity of each, and his demonstration of how not only have the NTers predictions not come to pass, but that pretty much the opposite has happened. But he never speculates why they opposed (and in some cases still oppose) Trump so vehemently. The closest he gets is to write vaguely that “there was something deeply wrong in the Republican party” and the GOP and conservatives “had created a hierarchy” that mirrored the liberals. Fine, spot on, but again, why did this happen? VDH does not say.

    I can’t help but think his reticence is just good manners. There is apparently some taboo against suggesting your opponents might not really believe what they are saying, that perhaps economic concerns play some role. I’m not sure why that is, but I guess if you work alongside them it could make for an uncomfortable office environment.

    Well, I don’t work alongside them. Accordingly, I feel free to postulate that smart and crafty people do not generally assert positions (e.g., “Hillary would be a more conservative president than Trump”) that are both absurd and adverse to their economic interests. Thus, anyone claiming such a thing is quite likely either (A) paid to spout such a thing, or (B) mentally unwell. I really can’t think of another explanation. Of course, if anyone knows of conservative pundits in any other instance loudly proclaiming something that is both preposterous on its face, and directly contrary to their donors’ fervent wishes, I’d love to hear about it.

    • werewife

      You are onto something – something that should make every ordinary citizen who calls himself conservative uneasy.

    • brockkm

      Go back and re-read the “Flight 93” column by Michael Anton ( It was the precursor to this web site.
      I truly feel that article was the start of a paradigm shift in the election. It explained the consequences of Nov 2016 in a way none of the conservative writers and pundits were willing to do, and basically calls them out for “going along to get along”

      • I agree completely. But I couldn’t help but notice in that essay that even Michael Anton / Decius was hesitant to accuse the conservatives of simply spouting bromides to appease their donors: “Pecuniary reasons also suggest themselves, but let us foreswear recourse to this explanation until we have disproved all the others.” Then again, by the end of the essay I am pretty sure he had in fact disproved all the others.

    • hamburgertoday2017

      There are all kinds of NeverTrumpers. Some were ideological ‘conservatives’, who, like all ideologues, have invested their ego in their positions and *cannot* find a way to change. Others were simply ‘conservatives’ who wanted (another) ‘conservative’ Republican to run whether that individual could win or not. Some NTs are elitists who simply could not abide any form of ‘populism’. Just as the paragons of the Left think that they ‘know best’, the same can be said of the paragons of the Right. The NTs continue to harp because The People *ignored* them and such a action is an affront to their ‘dignity’. Many ‘checklist conservatives’ have been living in the (apparently false) hope that eventually The People will come around to their way of thinking (some of which, such as support for unfettered immigration does not seem particularly conservative). It’s a Messianic hope and, as such, is not amenable to any kind of dissuasion. And, of course, certain positions are very lucrative to maintain if you want sponsorship by the big Chamber of Commerce type donors who support the various ‘conservative’ think tanks that provide much of the employment in the ‘conservative’ movement. Lastly, there is also an inherent problem with conservatism as defined by William F. Buckley: If the present has no longer represents ‘conservative’ values, ‘conservation’ entails conserving a non-conservative present. Every successful radical ends up becoming a conservative to hang onto the gains they have made. Every unsuccessful conservative ends up being a mere curmudgeon. Like the NTs.

      • I don’t disagree with any of that. Perhaps my biggest conundrum is that I can’t figure out who I disrespect more: NTers who don’t believe their spiel but want to stay in the good graces of the Chamber of Commerce, or NTs who aren’t being paid and actually believe it.

        • Carey J

          It can be tough to choose between stupidity and cupidity.

    • Carey J

      “Thus, anyone claiming such a thing is quite likely either (A) paid to spout such a thing, or (B) mentally unwell.”

      Why can’t they be both?

      • Mike Morgan

        I thought we were leaving McCain out of the discussion… He who called the Tea Party “Hobbits”…

  • Roughcoat

    Does this mean that VDH will soon disappear from the pages of National Review (just like Mark Steyn before him, and for similar reasons)?

    • roastytoasty

      Remember John Derbyshire? Rich Lowery bounced Derbyshire for writing a politically incorrect article entitled, “The Talk.”

  • BostonLiberty

    Stand with America and stand with Trump, the evil in DC needs to be flushed down the toilet, and President Trump is getting the job done.

  • Rick

    I started the primaries against Trump. I voted for him in the general election. And, now, the left’s attempts to oust him are a de facto coup using the employees of the swamp to overthrow him. And the Republicans who do not stand with him at this time are no longer supportable by me. This is like Seven Days in May only with the plotters being in the CIA, FBI and White House instead of the military. If there is a constitutional crisis, it is one created by the left. And the nevertrumpers are aiders and abettors of the plot. At the worst, they are unnwitting fools. It’s another version of “The Empire Strikes Back.”

    Drain the effing swamp!

    • irish19


    • Alexander Fretheim

      I was very late to support Trump. I went through several candidates before Trump including Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and finally Ted Cruz, but what finally caused me to see the light was Brexit. It was at that moment, reading about what had happened in England, that I realized that Trump was the man the American people need today. The fact is that the old “conservatism” is simply not socially relevant anymore, it doesn’t fix the real problems and doesn’t fight the fights that are really needed.

  • Jeffrey Techentin

    As a NeverTrumper, being NeverTrump meant putting someone on the ticket who could actually beat Hillary (and yes, I was deeply skeptical of his ability to keep to a conservative agenda). I’ll admit I was wrong, first in not believing he could beat Hillary (I still believe anyone else would’ve crushed her easily) but also in his governance, such as it is. Mostly, I’m enjoying this era because all the right people are freaking-the-hell-out. Not sure if we’ll still have a Constitutional republic in 20 years, but this is proving quite entertaining. Better than any season of The Apprentice, for sure.

    What does trouble me is the notion that we’re still blacklisting people who were anti-Trump as though no one could have opposed him but later reassess that position (as I have done, and continue to do). It’s the same sort of hard-line thinking that made Rubio radioactive because he’d participated in the Gang of 8. Not good for the movement, imo, or for Trump.

    • I was a staunch NeverTrump right up until it was Trump or Hillary. I was NT before it was a movement. I never watched his show, and if he was on TV, like Fox and Friends each Monday, I turned the station.

      I see him the way Charles Martin does:

      Now, as I seem to keep needing to remind people, I’m not a Trump fan: his perpetual self-promotion annoys me, his habit of shifting positions in moments unsettles me, his skeevy business practices in the past make it hard for me to respect him, and his apparent willingness to say anything to get a deal done makes it hard for me to trust him.

      But I knew Hillary would be the final nail in the coffin, and I genuinely believed, and still do, Trump was rising to the occasion and tapping into an authentic sub-current of yearning for renewal, for another “morning in America.” I now believe Trump came to late; the rot was too deep; the foundation too damaged.

      Your observation about blacklisting is valid, but on the other side there are NeverTrumperers, like Douthat, who still believe the elite are so much wiser that he would rather have Trump declared unfit under the 25th Amendment. Which is just batcrap crazy. They are so unshackled themselves they project it onto Trump.

      • Carl Eric Scott

        I was anti-Trump (sorry, “never” never did make sense) to the very end, writing a series of essays on a side-bar blog that used to be sponsored by NRO, Postmodern Conservative. I concluded that series by saying that, all likelihoods weighed, HRC would be the lesser evil. I stick by that now, although with less confidence. Trump has been better than I expected, and has kept promises to his conservative allies.

        I was also, as far as I know, one of the few conservatives who blogged extensively about the need to threaten Obama with impeachment, and who denied that impeachment was meant to limited to legalistically defined offenses.

        Ross Douthat is one of my favorite writers. So good on religion. The first strong voice against Obama’s amnesty order. A very wise man overall.

        But Douthat’s calling for serious consideration of using section 4 of Amendment 25 on Trump, removing him as unfit for office, is deeply irresponsible. Near crazy. Most charitably explained as a kind of devil’s-advocate provocation that went horribly amiss.

        And the impeachment talk coming from various liberals and establishment types now is utterly disgusting. 1) We don’t have the evidence yet for violating the law. 2) Probably every president winds up going over some line unintentionally at some point. 3) The whole “character” and “bring-the-office-into-contempt” aspects of impeachment are mostly irrelevant now–the voters indicated that the obvious character flaws of Trump did not disqualify him in the context of 2016. Anti-Trumpers like myself have to accept that judgment and respect it. These voters were not convinced by our many arguments. So long as he does not descend into new lows, Congress will be essentially nullifying the electorate’s will if they suggest it is at bottom his–already known–character that makes him impeachworthy. Short of him grabbing some woman’s crotch on camera, or something equivalent, a “he dishonors the dignity of the office” impeachment is out of bounds with this prez at this time. 4) Don’t get me started on all the ways Obama was given a pass for patent violations of the Constitution, and how the big-name pundit conservatives, with the singular exception of Andrew McCarthy, deliberately met any discussion of impeachment with a fall-in-line silent treatment. 5) There hasn’t been the slightest effort on the part of Dems to create some kind of coalition with Never Trumpers, to build up any kind of serious and publically stated agreement about what merits impeachment for presidents of any party–the only communication they conduct is to implicitly say “obey the impetus of MSM drama-talk or be regarded as a primitive.” As a partly political judgment/action, no impeachment can occur without such a coalition, and the fact that the Dems are apparently only willing to create that coalition on the basis of coercive media frenzy necessarily becomes part of the political judgment.

        IF Trump becomes a fundamental danger to the Constitution, as Obama really was, or IF he becomes a fundamental danger to American lives, then conservatives should be willing to join a coalition to impeach. But ONLY if those things are clear. No signs of either so far. His voters knew darn well that he’s precisely the kind of guy who might blurt out intelligence now and then, or say something that could be construed by a lawyer to be “obstruction of justice.” They were willing to live with that, and thus, we are democratically obliged to live with it.

        Obviously, I think anti-Trumpers should prepare to challenge Trump if he runs in 2020. His character was, is, and will remain beneath the the elementary “appearance of” (and partial reality of) dignity/virtue required by our democracy, and we will not stop arguing that. But until we convince enough of our fellow voters of that, and in time for an election, he IS OUR PRESIDENT.

        One final thing. All this impeachment talk is utter fantasyland in that you can’t even consider the initial impeachment stage without a majority of the House voting to do so. There is no evidence that we are anywhere near the necessary number of Republicans added to the assumed Dem votes. So it’s irrelevant unless Dems win the House in 2018. And everyone knows they won’t gain enough Senate votes by 2018 (or ever) to follow through on the second stage, i.e., to convict.

        And, yeah, Trumpists, if you’ve read this far, admit that not all those typically put into the class of “Never Trumpers” are the same. Too many of you have a deeply unhealthy habit of categorical labeling. Our day to oppose one another to the hilt again will likely come in 2020. Until then, all patriots must stand with you against this frenzy of election-nullifying drama-talk.

        • retiredfire

          Ah, but far too many of the temper-tantrum brigade, that gave Trump the nomination, are doubling-down and swearing to defeat Republicans in 2018 – they’re still voting on emotions and not the logic that typifies a true conservative.
          That will give the progressives the majority in the House to do to Trump, at least, what was done to Slick Willy – a goal of the demoncraps since his impeachment.

  • Puddle_Glum

    a flawed character has a better chance of enacting key conservative correctives than did his occasionally moral superiors…
    Maybe you’re right but I can’t see how Romney or McCain are moral superiors: Romney was willing to work for and with a “con” man and a “fraud” and McCain left a wife who had waited for and needed him.

    Eyes wide open elected Trump and even if he is impeached or otherwise removed from office, he turned the conversation, and nationally speaking, that’s usually step One.

    • horatio

      “Occasionally moral superiors” — what a revolting example of overeducated relativistic stupidity. Romney and McCain think they are morally superior but their actions say otherwise.

  • MikeR

    “Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election” Doesn’t follow and probably isn’t true. A Rubio nomination would probably have gotten a different set of swing voters. Not saying they’re right, but plenty of people out there (e.g., 538) think that Rubio would have won pretty easily over a candidate as disliked as Clinton.

    • horatio

      Rubio or Cruz would have been filleted by Clinton and the Democrat demons. Does anyone really think that anyone other than PT had all that it took to win?

      • MikeR

        Certainly possible. But they would have started with a much higher baseline. Everyone has opinions but I doubt anyone knows.

  • CosmotKat

    VDH captures exactly why I have left the Republican Party. It has never been clearer to me that the John McCain’s of the world are not patriots, but just rich politicians enriching themselves further off the backs of tax payers.

  • alainny

    the bow-tied gentlemen of the conservative intelligensia are so full of themselves. They did forget about the common working men and women of America. They had no answers for our suffering and our declining quality of life issues, and our fears that America was becoming the land unlimited 3rd world immigration and class/race struggles. Trump represents US. and we will stick by him through thick and thin.

    • Hominid

      Translation – we’re a bunch of whining losers who want a sugar daddy in the White House and government to take care of us.

  • PackRatFan

    A very nice article with many valid points. Though I wish Trump would tone down some of his rhetoric just to shut up the attack dogs a bit, I personally don’t care a smidgen about Trumps tweeting or much of anything else he is being attacked for as long as he continues to appoint conservative judges since it has become obvious that the judiciary is much more important in stopping the libfacist agenda more then any other branch of the government, especially with the GOP elitist who seem to be out of touch with a significant segment of their constituents! I group the Never-Trump crowd into that elitist bunch and personally it’s them that has me registered as an independent instead of a Republican! They are quite despicable in my opinion!

  • It is mysterious indeed when and how ‘nationalism’ became antithetical to conservatism. I guess it is only EXTREME nationalism which, the Jonah Goldberg types define as any enforcement of the border. These alleged conservatives are nonesuch. They are, yes, Globalists. And that, I would say, is antithetical to Americanism. At the least it says America is… what is that phrase? At the back of the queue.

    • Hominid

      Globalism is not a policy, fool – it’s a reality that isn’t going away.

      • Mike Morgan

        That would be your cognitive dissonance kicking in we see… 😃

        • Hominid

          Learn that term in PSY101, did ya?

          • Mike Morgan

            Maybe 45 years ago, slick. LOL. Your inability to work and play nice with others shows the world what your mind is going tbrough.

            Have a nice day.

            You can always buy Hillary some chips and queso because she’s Nacho President.

      • Alexander Fretheim

        On the contrary, we can make it go away in not more than weeks if we so desire. The Coast Guard can close every port tomorrow if we so please. Alternatively, a middle-ground of controlled, negotiated globalism may be best. The question is not can we make globalism go away, but do we want to?

  • allangen

    Opposition to the president because of his crude and volatile nature is a shallow surface affair and masks the real force driving the opposition. The progressives and elite Republicans have been moving together toward a form of government where separation of powers along with checks and balances no longer matter. Decisions are made by faceless bureaucrats who never stand for election and are completely controlled by the elites. The elites mad rush to pursue profit on other continents while showing no concern for the destruction of the middle and working class here was the last straw.

    When Peggy Noonan types shriek “Did you hear what that vile man just said?”, they are virtue signaling that they are superior types. That, however, is not what is driving the hysteria and desire to destroy the president under any pretext. If the nationalists and populists win, their edifice of privilege and ant-democratic authoritarian rule, and the vast profit that goes along with it crumbles.

  • UncRemus

    The UNI Party is a Disgrace!

  • roastytoasty

    I am not weary at all. I believe the movement Trump leads compares with the revolution led by U.S. General George Washington. The causes for revolt described in the Declaration of Independence are mirrored in the oppressive & tyrannical over-reach of today’s crony-bossed Federal bureaucracy.

    Here are 2 articles detailing some aspects of organized opposition to Donald Trump & those who support him:


    • allangen

      Thanks, roasty, for the links. Excellent reading.

      • roastytoasty

        You are most welcome. Let the good times roll!

  • Kathleen

    I think part of the problem the “elites” have with Trump is that they are not used to dealing with a New Yorker. Particularly someone from Queens!

    • amoose1959

      Most of the elites are native New Yorkers! WASPs died in the 60s.

    • Alexander Fretheim

      I think Trump’s character has been more shaped by New Jersey, and in fact the post-industrial communities he has helped rebuild and made much of his fortune off of are really what enabled him to understand our working class and the problems of ordinary people. He is the first American president from Newark!

  • Dantes

    The GOP Senators and Congressional Representatives, with very few exceptions, are vainglorious, cowardly poseurs. They don’t like Trump tweeting? Then get out there and help him, instead of sharpening your monogramed #NeverTrump custom long-knives and stabbing him in the back, repeatedly, either by action or inaction.

    I don’t give a damn about the crazy democrats. I do give a damn about these lying Republicans who promise the moon to get elected and then do nothing. They are the ones now who are standing athwart Trump, yelling stop. Tired of it.

  • TapestryGarden

    Professor Hanson you along with Professor Sowell seem to be the only sane voices in Conservative circles. I have lost respect for many whom I followed for decades. They are as you said totally obsessed with being proven right about Pres Trump even if it destroys the country. The bellyaching about Trump Tweets or dessert habits mirror the hysteria during the campaign. My test is will this impact the lives of most Americans? If not move along. I have turned off cable news and the punditocracy. I think my views reflect those of most Americans. Keep us sane.

  • Comrade_Terry

    Thank you for posting this article somewhere besides National Review.

    • Marshall Gill

      You mean you don’t want to go there and read it? I also no longer visit NR. Of course, once Mark Steyn parted ways they were pretty much dead to me so it has been a while.

  • Chantal0007

    Worse than the hysterical media and Congressional Democrats are the so-called Never Trumpers. They apparently prefer a permanent Democratic majority, since it was proven in the 2008 and 2012 elections that an acceptable, to them, Republican cannot win. Trump did what was viewed as impossible, winning Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania–all viewed by just about everyone as solid blue. (Remember when Sarah Palin was accused of going rogue when she wanted to campaign in Michigan?) Instead of being grateful for stopping Hillary and the liberal agenda, the Never Trumpers are doubling down on their irrational hatred. If they succeed, conservatism will be dead in American. A house divided….

    • brightlight

      Some of them have heard stories from the elders of that magical time back before Gingrich upset the apple cart by actually wanting to win. When a Repub in congress just sat back and let the Dems have the majority while snacking on the crumbs thrown at them. They knew their place so there weren’t any fights or battles. The era of closing up shop at 5pm and having drinks together at a local bar.

      They want great times like that! No fighting or being called nasty names by the media. Just sit back and relax…

  • “…a Republican staying home was a vote for Clinton.”
    And that is why we on the Right don’t understand Never-Trumpers. After their respective nominations, the nation was faced with a binary decision: continue Obama’s disastrous reign of error or try someone new. There was no alternative candidate or platform from which to choose.
    We spoke and the Progs lost their minds, quite literally, as evidenced by the many false charges made against President Trump since then.
    Two scoops?” Progda really expects me to believe their BS after that breathless report, huh?

  • L.B. & F.M.

    Republican politicians, with a few exceptions, seem to have an underdeveloped sense of loyalty. Unless it’s to themselves, of course.

  • Okeydoker

    Never trumpers=Dirtbags

    • Carey J

      You’re far too kind to them.

  • Roy_Lofquist

    I don’t believe for one second that if Trump acted more “presidential” then the calumny and slander would be less. He’s destroying their world. It’s all-out war.

    He’s also brought a new tactic to the fight. Ju Jitsu? Kung Fu? Whatever it is his opponents are running around with their pants around their ankles. I “Ain’t had so much fun since the hogs ate my little brother”.

  • Forbes

    >”Finally, there was something deeply wrong in the Republican Party that at some point required a Trump to excise it.”

    One need only ask what aspect of our culture, our way of life, had been conserved by Republicans–the conservative party? All Republicans ever do is negotiate the terms of surrender.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      As someone once said, they are simply the tax collectors for the welfare state

  • BGMorgan

    Probably the most irritating thing in all of this, is the left, and now a lot of the right, keep characterizing the email hacking as “Russians interfering in our elections”. If it was the Russians, and not Seth Rich among others, who gave Podesta’s and others emails to Wikileaks, they certainly did not interfere in any election. No one changed the numbers. No one besides Hillary convinced her to not campaign in Wisconsin. The only thing that the Russians did, if it was the Russians, was the job that American journalists refused to do. No one hacked our election, no one interfered in our election. If the RNC got the DNC’s emails and leaked them, would it be called interfering in a election, or an October surprise? Fact is all that came out was that Hillary and the DNC are a bunch of nasty raging hypocritical people, who will stop at nothing, including cheating, or sabotaging one of their own in order to get power.

    • Carey J

      A couple of comments about the Democrats’ obsession with “Russian interference”. First, if the Russians truly did want Trump to win, it was the biggest blunder since Pickett’s Charge. Second, if the Democrats had been this excited about Russian efforts to dominate the world back in the 60s and 70s, the Cold War would have been won well before Ronald Reagan became President.

      • BGMorgan

        Agreed. There was no way in heck that the Russians, or anyone else besides maybe Ann Coulter, could have called that election. I personally think that the Russians expected Hillary to win, like most of America, and wanted to handicap her right out of the starting gate. Putin is a dirtbag, but at heart he’s a Soviet. That was his heyday. One thing the Soviets always liked was predictability. It’s hard wired into their system of government, and philosophy. It’s one of the main reasons they hated Reagan, and called him the “cowboy”. Hillary is predictable by their standards, and would have continued a lot of the Obama admins climate/natural energy policies. All of which benefitted Russia, which has huge natural resource reserves. Trump is a wild card to say the least, and his policies reference fracking/oil pipelines, have driven oil down to around 50 per barrel. This is killing OPEC, who has collectively lost 76 billion since he took office, put Venezuela in a serious death spiral, and really screwed the Russians. The Russians knew this prior to the election, and I guarantee they didn’t want him for this reason alone. Let alone his unpredictability. They aren’t the Soviet Union anymore, and their economy is closer to Spain’s in size. Trumps policies are going to screw Putin heavily, and if It keeps up, look to Putin trying to take him down somehow if he isn’t already trying.

        • Carey J

          Actually Michael Moore called it well before the election, saying it would be the biggest “Fuck you!” in American history.

          • BGMorgan

            I drink a really high ABV IPA every time I watch that video, and laugh my ass off. Only time I think I’ve ever agreed with that fat tool from Flint in my lifetime. MAGA baby.

  • Stick

    Never Trumpers are usually NeoCons or Chamber of Commerce types or both. I am of the opinion that NeoCons are likely the ones to worry about – they are convinced of their purity while Commerce types are merely greedy, Always beware of the True Believers.

    • Carey J

      The Chamber of Commerce wants to replace the American working class with immigrants who will do the jobs Americans won’t do – for $2.00/hr. Democrats want to replace the American electorate with immigrants who will do things that American voters won’t do – vote Democrat.

      This has resulted in an Axis of Evil bent on destroying the American working class. NeverTrumpers are very much a part of this alliance.

  • OkiefromMuskogee

    It seems to me that the divide in Republican/conservatives is among those who still want to fight by the Marquis of Queensbury rules and those who understand they are in a street fight with people who will lie, cheat, kick them in the gonads and sucker punch them at any and all moments. I started out in the former group but reluctantly came around to see that a “crude” street fighter was what was needed to take on the unscrupulous, criminally insane left. Having said that, Trump did make a lot of enemies in his campaign and Cruz seems to be the only one who has moved on from personal pique and is fighting the good fight.It’s pretty obvious that McCain is going down in flames as a sworn enemy even when he should be on board with most of Trump’s agenda. Ryan is just an old school Regan democrat for the most part who is conservative in some ways but still a big believer in the welfare state and big government policies. Just my personal observations and conclusions.

    • Carey J

      Yes! As Lincoln said of General Grant, “I need this man. He fights.”

  • Puddle_Glum

    Money is one of a few prizes but I’ve never been sure how much it serves as primary motivator. Comparing politics to music it’s difficult to know a politician’s primary motivator.

    Here’s C.S. Lewis on the Inner Ring:

  • derf

    I was a never-Trumper in the primaries. I could not stand him, or his antics. He is rude, and a middle school bully. He’s not that informed and makes Obama look humble. And I was especially wary of him having held contradictory positions on every issue of importance at one time or another. There is not an issue that matters that he hasn’t held an opposite (read liberal) view on, even his claim to fame immigration stance. I thought he was the least conservative candidate of the 17 that started out, including Kasich.

    I reluctantly voted for him, however, because I became more of a never-Hillary’er. And for the primary reason of judicial appointments, particularly the replacement for Scalia. I, like the Russians and everyone else, thought he was going to lose, and I am still surprised he won. And the fact that he won – and nominated Gorsuch – (we all think) has preserved the Supreme Court for a generation. For that I am very grateful / elated.

    I still am very wary of his “conservatism”. He has already capitulated on a budget which could have been Obama’s or Hillary’s. And I blame him more than the Congress for that, though they share the blame. He has capitulated on the Wall, which I contended and still do will never be built. He has reversed himself on China (which had to be stopped then, but is now awesome). He is going to be pushing some leftist type policies. And yes, he has pushed some more conservative policies (approving Keystone, for example).

    As for the mess we find ourselves in… He deserves much of the blame. He needs to be an executive. He has to stay focused. There has to be a plan. He can’t send surrogates out (like Pence last week) to defend him and then completely cut their legs out by saying the opposite of what he sent them out to say. He is not playing 8 dimensional chess. He’s winging it. Come up with a plan and stick to it. Everyone has to be on the same page. HOWEVER, much of it is NOT his doing. He has idiots working for him who seem to be more interested in currying favor with the media. He has a media that is an active opponent and treats him as such. They truly are nothing more than democrat operatives with their hair on fire at defcon 1.

    • Carey J

      He has the worst media coverage of any Republican President since Lincoln. Democrats started a civil war over Lincoln’s election, and they ended up assassinating him. Things haven’t gotten quite that bad with Trump, yet.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      How is it mostly Trump’s fault that Congress has not sent him legislation you would prefer for him to sign? Seriously?

  • D4x

    Was hoping Dr. Hanson had insight into POTUS statement “No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

    Jackson, Lincoln, and Truman come to mind. The animus to those without proper elocution and degreed credentials runs deep in America’s elitists, always yearning for an aristocracy.

  • thewhitefrog

    Well said. Anyone see Jim Geraghty side with liberal panel and anchor on CNN last night when conservative guest and navy seal commentor said he believes General McMaster before ‘anonymous former officials’ quoted by wash post. One of the most disgusting things I’ve seen. and I used to be fan of Geraghty

  • ubik

    President Hillary. The horror avoided is far worse than a few stupid tweets.

  • Pat Michaels

    “A Never Trump movement, I think it is fair to say, had absolutely no influence on the 2016 election.”

    There are few current authors for whom I have greater respect than Dr. Hanson. However, I think he exaggerates here and thereby misses an important point.

    It seems clear, from the hostile regard for the GOPe, and especially for the Conservative Punditocracy, by the average Trump voter that, if anything, these voters have come to recognize the disdain in which they are held by these purported “allies.” But this only served to convince Republican voters of the righteousness of their choice in Trump.

    Trump’s victory has exposed, in a dramatic and glaring fashion not often seen, of the truly seedy underbelly of the New York-Washington corridor and nexus of self-righteous Left elitists, a GOP leadership grown comfortable and leery of doing anything to derail their political gravy train, and a Conservative Punditocracy enamored of its own sophistication but sharing with these others a general disdain for those, like Trump, that they see as inferior and undeserving of their support after their long hard years of toil and suffering in the Obama political wilderness.

    The Leftists can be forgiven in a way: at least they have an idea of how to use power to benefit their cause, such as it is. The GOPe? They gave up on and now disdain middle America just like Hillary and the Democrats.

    So the “Progressive” Left’s chosen front group, the Democrat Party, goes about agitating daily, nay hourly, to get what they want, often irrationally and violently, even if much of the time they spend on one wacko conspiracy theory after another. Soon enough they hit upon a winning formula in a kind of “witches brew”of an avalanche of innuendo, false stories (“fake news”), lots of “high Government officials” spreading a propaganda avalanche of grave opinionating; and, as if that’s not enough, here come our purported allies with arms folded if not actively aiding our opponents.

    So, actually, and contrary to Dr. Hanson’s assertion, I think there is sufficient evidence to conclude that, far from no influence, these self-righteous Never Trumpers actually served to convince eventual Trump voters of the righteousness of their choice which has only increased since Election Day.

    • rambothedrughunter

      Good observation. George Will’s prissy priggish polemics undoubtedly netted DJT more votes than they lost him. Maybe Mr. Will was trying to use reverse psychology (sarc). Note that since then, though, he’s gone over to the “Dark Side” – MSDNC.

      • Pat Michaels

        Rambo (or do you prefer John? ): thanks for replying to my comment. I regret Mr. Will’s turn. I have read and admired his work since his stint as a National Review editor back in the early 70’s but I can no longer read his curmudgeonly prognostications.

        We are caught up in what Neil Howe and the late Bill Strauss referred to as a “Fourth Turning” and the good Mr. Will I think has no stomach for it. If I were generous I would simply say that he’s just too old and tired to make the kind of nimble changes required to ride out this storm. But my cynicism tells me that he has become a highly paid elitist himself and can no longer identify with middle America but well regards his own position working for the WP, NBC News and MSNBC, all Leftist platforms. Like Ross Douthat at the NYT, he has become the Designated Conservative…as long as he doesn’t get out of line. These days? They’d have his head.

        Ready to sacrifice his life, his fortune, his sacred honor, he is not (Yoda again!). I will miss his erudite commentary but I can no longer trust him as a source for current perspective. For that, and, in my opinion, one of the most astute macro-sociological viewpoints to be found, I turn to Victor Davis Hanson. Dr. Hanson is a brilliant, incisive and erudite historian who brings a middle American understanding from his own background on his multigenerational California family farm.

        Catch some of his YouTube symposiums and discussions if you get the chance. I would guess you would not be disappointed.

        Thanks again. 🙂

      • Carey J

        Will once called Trump the water beetle of American Politics. I call Will the dung beetle of American politics.

  • rambothedrughunter

    “the media, academics, and the progressives—have acted so unhinged that they themselves have lost all credibility and now seem to belong in the pages of the National Enquirer.” Indeed. Reading editorials in WaPo, NYT, and LAT has allowed me to save time by no longer having to read “The Onion” for humorous fake news about current topics. It should probably be illegal to have so much fun. The topper (so far) for me was CNN’s “two scoops of ice cream and diet Coke” attack, like the post-election spoof headline “Trump Evicts Black Family,” showing the Obamas leaving the White House.

  • MaxMBJ

    I’m one of those flyover Trump voters. I’m not what the stereotypes would have me be. I’m educated (Master’s), fairly well-read, and a former Republican (I must now reject that description thanks to the way Republicans on Capitol Hill have treated Trump).

    I don’t think Trump’s an intellectual, I don’t think he’s playing 4-D chess, I don’t think he’s all that great a negotiator. What I do think is he’s Samson and he’s pushed apart the two pillars of our corrupt (on the left) and feckless (on the right) and has collapsed the roof above the swamp party below. I hope, unlike Samson, he emerges unscathed — and I think he will — but I fully appreciate the man for pushing those two pillars to the ground.

    • CptNerd

      I’m certain he’s no intellectual but that doesn’t mean he isn’t intelligent. Nor is he playing 4D chess, instead he’s playing “fizzbin” to the same effect. Or maybe “Calvinball” to a younger audience.

    • Alexander Fretheim

      I also am a fairly well-educated Trump voter, holding a Bachelors from a top five engineering college and being something of a Machine Learning and IoT expert. I personally see Trump as a very smart man, but also a very anti-ideological man who is focused on addressing real problems with solutions that work rather than trying to craft some beautiful theoretical perfection that no one will accept in sufficiently complete form to work.

  • MfK

    Excellent article, Mr. Hanson. I think the rest of National Review should pay attention to the fact that their continued sniping at Mr. Trump will only assure that people abandon the Republican party in favor of nothing, in which case the Democrat party wins by default.

  • Carey J

    “Illegal immigration is reportedly down some 70 percent”. This is why the NeverTrumpers hate Trump. They want to flood the labor market with cheap immigrant labor, and Trump won’t play that game. The Republican Establishment doesn’t give a damn about people who have to work for a living. And people who have to work for a living have quit giving a damn about the Republican Establishment.

    • Jerrybear

      Agreed. The RINO establishmentarians in the mold of John McShame only care about open borders and constant war around the world.

      • Carey J

        Constant war around the world means a steady stream of refugees cheap immigrant labor. They are two sides of the same coin.


    Trump terminates traitorous and treasonous tReepublican’ts… Timberrrrrrr!

  • Bailey

    Excellent! Just plain excellent. VDH keeps a historian’s perspective and isn’t so easily skewed by the popular media passions du jour. We need more of this especially from those of us who don’t idolize Trump and are able to differentiate Trump and his weak points from the larger issues which the left never loses sight of, always pursues, and never surrenders ground on.

  • Jack Rudd

    VDH misuses the expression “begs the question” !?! Say it isn’t so!

  • Ken Bingham

    Never Trumpers are the political walking dead. They should get out of politics because they are not welcome. Worse than Democrats.

    • SolidCitizen

      Their great idea is to install a Third Bush Family Member to the White house. Truly a DOA idea.

  • Marshall_Priddy

    No president in my entire lifetime has had such antipathy and disgust for my principles and values than Trump does. Why is it shocking that I return that antipathy and disgust in kind?

    • silencedogoodreturns

      It wouldn’t be shocking if you are a liberal democrat.

      • Marshall_Priddy

        I’m no Democrat. The POTUS has spent years as a registered Democrat; I never have.

        • silencedogoodreturns

          you’re no democrat? But you are against low taxes, getting rid of illegal immigration, building up the military, and limiting govt involvement in health care?

    • LibertyLover

      You look to be about ten years old. You need to take a closer look at Obama….

  • Brett_Bellmore

    “Never Trump cadres rightfully object to the invocation of the classical logical fallacy of tu quoque.”

    No, not really. Tu quoque is probably the most common mis-identied fallacy around today. In “tu quoque” somebody accuses you of a wrong, and you attempt to *refute it* by pointing out that they’ve committed it. This is a fallacy because, of course, you could both be guilty.

    But if all you’re doing is demanding context, it’s not a fallacy.

    In politics it’s not generally a matter of whether candidate A is a crook. It’s a matter of whether candidate A is *more crooked than* candidate B. Two candidates are being COMPARED. It’s no tu quoque to point out that B is just as guilty, it’s perfectly relevant.

  • bilahn

    With this article Hanson has totally dismissed any shred of credibility and morality he has left. Absolutely appalling. Trump is a mortal danger to our democracy, out constitution and the safety of our country and world.

    • Cool_Hand_Luke


    • silencedogoodreturns

      Do you write for the Onion?

    • wombat1951

      Worse danger was Hillary packing the Fed Courts.

  • Tanuge

    The people opposing Trump are “so unhinged that they have lost all credibility,” belonging “on the pages of the National Enquirer”?
    Seems strange given that they have succeeded in getting a special prosecutor installed to conduct a criminal investigation of Trump and his three-ring circus of an administration. I’m pretty sure that Robert Mueller doesn’t work for the Enquirer. (btw, if you bothered to look, you would notice that in real life, the Enquirer is still running stories about how “Crooked Hillary” is about to be indicted and sent to jail- true story)

    • odys

      Yes, Hillary could be indicted and sent to jail. Statute of limitations has not passed. As for Mueller, it may be another Trump chess move while you guys are playing checkers. NOW someone can actually stop slow walking the search for leaks, because EVERYONE knows there is no Trump/wusskie entanglement, even Comey and Diane Feinstein have said so. So no risk bringing in “the kings eyes and ears” to investigate the swamp.

      • Tanuge

        I see that you’ve been reading the National Enquirer.

      • Tanuge

        “Everyone knows”? well- that’s certainly conclusive proof. Tell you what, let’s conduct the same investigation into Trump as was conducted into Hillary and see.

  • Gl Remote

    Special council Mueller will likely find no Russian connection, at which time Progressives and their but buddies Never Trump Conservatives will create another scandal.

  • mistermcfrugal

    Great analysis. I refuse to attack Trump. I’ll put up with issues with him. Anything is better than commie Democrats and leftist media running the country.

  • Epstein’s Mother

    So his accomplishments are getting a judge through a friendly Congress, albeit at the cost of Republican filibusters of future Democrat appointees; a further decrease in illegal immigration, which has been headed south (literally and figuratively) for 10 years anyway; and some pipelines.

    And that’s enough for you to believe Trump is a success.

    • Dave Hunter

      Admit it, nothing he does will make you happy. How about if you check your housekeeper’s papers and see if she’s here legally?

      • Epstein’s Mother

        In certainly hope not. I’d hate to think I’m overpaying.

  • Dave Hunter

    Excellent analysis, as usual from VDH. This is a slow motion coup and it needs to stop. Trump barely colluded with his own campaign people, how in the world does anyone think he colluded with the Russians? One thing Trump is known far and wide for is his singular self-reliance and being his own man. How about if his own supporters get this out there daily in an effort to counteract the MSM’s endless screaming about dust balls?

    • Sam Topeka

      “Trump barely colluded with his own campaign people..” brilliant observation.

  • Bushido Joe

    I grew up in a family that made its living doing hard, dirty and if not careful, dangerous work. Any employee who showed up everyday and could the work, earned our respect. How they looked, spoke, dressed or the personal habits they had were irrelevant. And so it is with the Donald, I did not have a high opinion of him at first, but based on his accomplishments he has forever earned my respect. I would be honored pick up his bar tab or pull him out of the ditch at 3:00 AM with no questions asked – just because he shows up everyday and does the job!

    • Dave Hunter

      And he does his job under the most trying circumstances what with the nattering nabobs of negativism burping in his ear ever minute of every day.

    • Sam Topeka

      Well., since Donald doesn’t drink, you have little to worry about going broke paying his bar tab. Unless he decides to buy the bar.

  • Go Navy

    This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

    are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this
    president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would
    likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

    I happily give Trump
    credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he
    fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

    Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not
    carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far
    preferable to a President Obama or Clinton..

  • odys

    “Trump was not so much a reflection of
    red-state Americans’ political ignorance, as their weariness with those
    of both parties who ridicule, ignore, or patronize them—and now seek to
    overturn the verdict of the election.”

    WE are the movement, Trump is just the vehicle. As for the “resistance:” many veterans of WW2 in France will tell you the French resistance came out once the Germans were back across their border.

  • silencedogoodreturns

    VDH nails it again. What is truly alarming is how his “conservative” colleagues at NR are unable, or unwilling, to see the obvious. That they, and the eGOP writ large, don’t just means that the GOP as a party will continue to collapse as an empty shell that stands for nothing.
    I would love to be in the room as the likes of Goldberg, Williamson and French read this.

    • Dave781

      They read this nonsense and rejected it. That is why it was not published by NR.

      • silencedogoodreturns

        How is it “nonsense?” Are you a liberal or just another go along to get along country club “republican?”

        • Dave781

          No, I am a NeverTrumper. Since the article is supposed to be about me, I can say that VDH completely misrepresents my positions.

          • silencedogoodreturns

            Nah. You’re another Soros troll. Seminar trolls are easy to spot. And I notice you couldn’t answer the question

        • Dave781

          The fact remains that Jonah Goldberg read this piece and rejected it.

          • silencedogoodreturns

            Of course he rejected it. It’s about him. Duh

          • RDittmar

            Not enough [email protected] jokes or references to 90’s Simpsons episodes to win approval from the pantless one, eh?

  • SouthOhioGipper

    I’ll admit it. I was virulently #nevertrump, but once he got elected, it became a matter of political, social and economic survival for us all to hang together because progressives certainly want to hang us one at a time. This is class war and my class enemies activities require me to put intra-clan rivalries to rest for the greater good.

  • odys

    IF Mueller is half as honorable as everyone says, it will take him about a week to figure out what Comey and Diane Feinstein have already admitted: that there is no Trump/wusskie entanglement.

    Then Mueller can get to work helping plug the leaks and drain the swamp, a good ju jitsu move to use your opponent’s momentum against them.

  • landon

    Post Trump, this life long Republican will no longer support the republican party, ever,

    #NT is the reason. I will not stand with them

  • JoeS54

    Yep. Nothing more to say. VDH is one of the few who gets it, and has been all along.

  • flatulento ergo sum

    I wish Krauthammer, et. al.would read this and think about it and get off their never Trump high horse.

  • Dave781

    VDH is the worst kind of elitist – he thinks that the only to win elections is to lie to the people. Hence his support for the con man.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      Oh, look. A Media Matters Astro turf account

  • Blitz44

    All of the above is true but the bottom line is the swamp is fighting hard to remain in place.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      I think that’s his bottom line also

  • David

    What is frightening is that not only has the mask fallen and the sham “opposition” between the Democrats and Republicans been revealed for the lie that is, but these Ancien Regime retreads seriously think they can overthrow an election and the people will meekly accept it.

    If they thought 2016 was a shock, wait until they see the people’s reaction this.

  • RCB53


  • Lyle Petersen

    A Democrat is going to be a Democrat. I accept that. But ever since 2008, The DC Republicans (many who are in fact Democrats themselves, and only play at being Republicans in their home districts at election time) have proven time and time again that they do not want to lead, and do not want to enact a conservative agenda; they just want to pay a token opposition and fundraise forever. They’re traitors.

    For those reasons, many conservatives like myself hold the GOP in far greater contempt than the Democrats, who just do what they do.

  • Mike Morgan

    VDH sees very clearly. I wish the GOP was as clearly on the side of the Americans who voted their sorry carcasses into office. Trump is making them look bad because he is keeping his campaign promises.

  • codgerelle

    Trump, as has been suggested before, is the first third-party president. Good: We are in dire need of a party that represents the interests of the people who form the engine of this country, and addressing those interests is what Trump is trying to do. Both the Republican and Democrat Parties abandoned this consideration a long time ago, and those who turned out in droves to vote for Trump both recognize this and finally struck back.

    “Character”? Trump’s character leaves that of most of those sniveling weasels on both sides of the aisle in the dust in that he calls it as he sees it, without the usual obfuscation, and he most often sees “it” pretty clearly.

    The Republicans won’t change, and neither will the Democrats. The only hope is a third party, which, unfortunately, isn’t likely to materialize because the people who would form one are too busy meeting their own responsibilities to have the time for it.

    • Dan Warren

      All true.

      I am hoping that the Trump movement simply takes over the republican party.

      And, we should then rename the party, as the republican brand name simply has too much baggage, with years of Leftist propaganda shoveled on it, and now the even worse idiocy of the always siding with the Leftist democrats of the RINOs, and now the traitorous actions of the Never Trumpers, who simply cannot acknowledge the truth that Trump was by far the best candidate running, and will become one of the best presidents in the past century.

    • Alexander Fretheim

      Actually he’s something even better than that: an insurgent who redefined his own party, shifting away from a Liberal Conservatism that was becoming increasingly socially irrelevant to a patented mixture of National Conservatism, Jacksonianism and Toryism.

  • Historybuff

    Getting increasingly disappointed in mr. hanson. Seems like he simply can not look at ‘bad’… and call it Bad.

    That is how we got stuck with obama… and clinton.

    America is in a moral & ethical vacuum… and hanson’s article perpetuates it.

    • wombat1951

      Like almost every post slamming VDH, not a single specific comment on anything he said.

      The mark of a lefty troll 😆

      • Dan Warren

        No, HB is an unrelenting Never Trump republican. His post have been consistent ever since Trump ran.

        He used to be a decent poster, thinker, observer. But, alas, he has gone off the rails as a never Trump fanatic.

        Poor HB, I used to admire him.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      did you even read the column?
      “Trump, the president, certainly has continued his erratic and mercurial behavior in the manner of Trump, the candidate. His tweets are often incoherent (and yet also prescient in odd ways) and pursue the trivial. His habits—largely living alone in the White House, short on sleep, tweeting in the early hours—add to his irascibility. The White House operations reflect Trump’s own impulsiveness.”

      • Historybuff

        So, is trump Bad?

        Tell us… clearly.

  • Dan Warren

    Thank You VDH for the intellectual and moral clarity you provide.

    NEVER has the American nation witnessed the unrelenting propaganda SMEAR campaign against the American People’s decision to elect Donald Trump as our president.

    My view of president Trump is that he is an actual American Hero, the likes of which has not been seen in many decades.

    He surely understood that he was risking much by running for the presidency.

    He believed he could win, but, I doubt that he would have been able to have predicted the unleashing of the rabid actions of the Media, Leftist Democrat party, and others of the Leftist Elite Ruling class to SMEAR him and his administration.

    However, he surely was able to imagine that his family could be targets of assassinations by Muslim terrorists, and particularly, that his worldwide assemblage of Trump properties, hotels and golf courses, would become targets of Muslim terrorism. His hotel and golf courses could be drained of customers quickly if people thought that they were at risk of becoming casualties of terrorists.

    Donald Trump risked much of what he had built during his career by running for president.

    And, of course, we now see that the Leftist Movement and the Leftist Ruling Elites, as well as many Republicans are engaing in a type of political coup attempt which we have never witnessed before in American history.

    And, as you note, there is much violence coming from the Left, and we may yet see more Leftists becoming terrorists. We already have the Black Lives Matter movement, acting as domestic terrorists, in ambushing police officers and assassinating them, killing the beloved husbands of cherished wives, and taking the beloved fathers from the lives of their adored children.

    The Never Trump republicans have signed onto the rabid craziness of the Leftist Movement in America, which includes the Media, the democrat party, and most of the bureaucratic institutions of our nation. The Never Trumpers are effectively saying, ‘we don’t care what happens to the American People under the propaganda state of the Leftist Movement that we currently live under….our hate for Trump trumps any and all other concerns’.

    The American People are watching. I only hope that the American People are understanding what they are seeing, i.e. the PROOF that we are living in a propaganda state similar to what had existed in the Soviet Union. It is the American version of a totalitarian propaganda state, and if HiLIARy Clinton had become president, the propaganda state would have controlled everything, and propelled us into totalitarian leftist control of all American’s lives, while covering their un-American actions under thick blankets of 24/7/365 propaganda.

  • shrikeangel

    This article is laughably inaccurate. Trumps character has been atrocious. One has only to wait for saturday morning for a weekly tweet storm. He contradicts his own press staff nearly daily, he throws around baseless accusations constantly and his press conferences are totally incoherent. As for his conservative agenda all we have is one supreme court justice a couple of pipelines and some executive orders that can be reversed by the next administration. We don’t have repeal replace yet we have not tax reform no substantive legislation period. All things he said would be easy to do within 100 days. On top of this he wont touch any of the true drivers of debt in this country entitlements. As for his cabinet other then Mattis, McMasters and Haily I’m not impressed, see General Flynn. The idea the Cruz or Rubio would have lost to Clinton is laughable all Polling showed that the only candidate that could lose to Clinton (and he did lose the popular vote) was Trump. He just able to thread the needle in 3 states where a Rubio or Kasich would have blown the doors off of her and more importantly been able to govern competently. Dont give me that crap lie the polls were wrong they weren’t the were mostly withing the margin of error as the RCP average had it Clinton by 3 and it ended up Clinton by 2.1 the popular vote is what polls measure not the electoral college. If any thing Never Trump has been completely vindicated as this circus show of a administration has illustrated. The ones with egg on there face are the ones who completely abdicated decades of conservative thought and principles to hop on the Trump Train like Hansen. This explains there desperation is trying to twist reality and deny the actual fact of the disaster they helped make happen, There is a special place in hell for many of them.

    • Dave781

      Well said!

    • Bobbi60

      In your case, it would have been better to be silent and let people think you a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Unlike Mattis and Haley, neither McMaster nor Flynn were ever a member of Trump’s cabinet; their position was that of National Security Adviser–a position appointed by the president which does not require congressional approval.
      Trump has succeeded in most of his main goals that were possible without help from the Republicans in Congress, who have exhibited their usual weak-kneed aversion to any change that doesn’t directly benefit them. As the article above says, he has improved our position vis a vis immigration, and the supreme court, and the major failures–tax reform and the repeal of the ACA–are as much the fault of congress as they are of Trump. The so-called scandals are mostly empty pipe dreams dredged up by Democrats and the media(sorry for the redundancy) to smear the president in an attempt to hide his accomplishments. That they have succeeded so well is mostly the result of Republicans who are so intent on disliking the man that they are willing to sacrifice the good of the country to get rid of him, and idiots who have the ‘where there’s smoke, there must be fire’ attitude that makes the media so successful in their smears. You need to take a clearer look at the things Trump has done, instead of the things the media says about him.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      name one thing “inaccurate” in the column. I read threw your verbal diarrhea and saw nothing but Soros talking points.

    • Alexander Fretheim

      But that’s not the claim the article is invalidating. The article is not claiming that “Trump’s character has been atrocious” is incorrect. It is claiming that “Trump’s character has seriously damaged American interests or the conservative movement” is incorrect.

  • MidCali42

    Trump actually saved the Republican Party from themselves and their terrible “leadership”. The big government, open borders Republicans have at least taken a solid punch in the mouth. Hopefully Trump gives them a few more kicks to the groin.

  • Dan Warren
  • Lawrence Duffield

    It is probably better to have this “nightmare” conflict out in the open now, rather than after another few years of Leftist gains and “conservative” surrenders. It is highly ironic that President Trump, by attempting to govern in accordance with his voters’ priorities, has exposed an entire substrata of Washington GOP pols and bureaucrats whose goals and objectives are not in alignment with Republicans in the red heartlands.

    We owe President Trump for turning over those DC rocks to expose what lies beneath.

  • helen souza

    The forces arrayed against this president are alarming. The establishment of both parties, the corporate media and the democrats are hell bent on his destruction through a campaign of misinformation and outright lies. Instead of making me less a Trumpian, they are making me double down on voting for him again. I’ve stopped watching all news shows including Fox News. Because I’m simply tired of the lies and distortion. I’m 71 years old and I’ve never seen anything like what is happening to him. Yes, he can be crude. Yes, he will make mistakes. But as long as he continues to give me what he promised, I will be backing him. And, I’m making note of who is not backing him in the republican party. Take notice, Kern County, Kevin McCarthy is his enemy. Take note, Tulare County, Devin Nunes has become invisible after showing courage for once. Paul Ryan is losing status by the hour. We continue to support our guy until someone shows us proof that he is not worthy of our trust.

  • rlhailssrpe

    The greatest strength of President Trump is that his last name is not Clinton. He came to drain the swamp, which requires a lot of stirred up mud. The greatest historical fact, from the first 100+ days of his Administration, is the enormous amount of hate in this nation, in academia, the media and the opposition party. His critics do not disagree with his policies, they spread gossip and talk impeachment, after only a short time in his Presidency. What are the bases of impeachment? Documents which no American has read; they are all classified.

    We do know, without doubt, that two felonies occurred in the campaign. A Democratic staffer was assassinated, two bullets in the back, in a “botched robbery”. The killers left roughly $2000 worth of personal property on his dead body. His hard disk was confiscated and its contents are unknown; some say he was the leak to Wikileaks. General Flynn’s name was leaked to the press from NSA classified documents. That is a felony. There is a very small cohort of federal employees who had access to the intell.

    The greatest weakness of President Trump is his aggressive undisciplined nature. It has caused chaos in his camp. He may not be experienced in running a complex organization, far more intricate than building a hotel or reading a balance sheet.

    • Danny Alt

      You may be on to something. Similarly, a known registered democrat was found dead in Medford Oregon, the killer(s) left her $500 shoes on her feet, some say she read most of the Wikileaks leaks.

  • chris_zzz

    This piece politely and correctly points out what a bunch of ungrateful numskulls the never-Trump Republicans are. They can’t have Bush #41 back as prez. The choice was either crazy Trump or progressive Hilary. The nation would be better off if these crybabies got off their duffs and helped Trump govern. The nation can’t afford a failed presidency.

    • Danny Alt

      Well, apparently we are getting precisely what we can ill afford.
      Thanks to all those that nominated a racist, misogynistic, narcissistic “Bullshit artist, with serious impulse control disorder, who under extreme pressure from “The Facts” has morphed into a full blown “idiot” – the likes of which we have not seen before.

      • silencedogoodreturns

        isn’t it amazing how Trump lived in the spotlight of NYC for decades, right under the NYT’s nose…and no one knew he was a racist misogynist until he became President. Amazing that.

        • Danny Alt

          Saying “no one knew he was a Racist Misogynist until he became President” is ridiculous, millions knew!

          Long before Trump declared his presidential candidacy, The New York Times reported many times on Trumps efforts to characterize the sitting President of The United States as a Kenyan Muslim and certainly not an American Citizen. That NYT reporting lasted for the 5 years leading up to his presidency.

          Some of those articles and columns expressed what millions of American’s believed during those years, that those efforts to delegitimize the1st American Black President was likely racially motivated.
          That opinion was reinforced by NYT reports on Trump’s past treatment of black tenants, resulting in law suits.

          However, the NYT did not report or comment on Trump’s racist statements, regarding Mexicans, until Trump declared his presidential candidacy. It might have been that very day.

          Accordingly, the NYT reporting and columns written on his Racist Rhetoric directly related to Mexicans were written contemporaneous to the racist statements.

          As to the NYT reporting on our president’s misogynistic history,
          The New York Times picked up on that when an audio recording of our president admitting to committing sexual misconduct was released and reported on..,
          and that was followed by corroborating statements, of similar misogynistic acts, statements given by 11 separate unconnected women.
          That NYT reporting occurred contemparaniously to the events, before his presidency.

          You know what is really “Amazing”:
          You did not know all that; But, not knowing did not stop you from just making something up.
          Amazing that!

          • silencedogoodreturns

            HAHAAHAHAHHAAHA . Nice try Festus, but you just proved my point. Now, get some better Media Matters talking points if you want to hang with adults.

          • Danny Alt

            Despite your childlike effort to make it appear otherwise,
            your substance free response..,
            to my factual rebuttal to your baseless comment..,
            about a newspaper you obviously never read..,
            clearly reveals (to all) your ignorance and total disregard for facts.

            You have exposed your ignorance to those with reasonable cognitive skills reading our discourse.

            Good Bless You for believing you are informed enough and intellectually capable to “hang with adults”.

  • rwisrael

    The resistance is to be expected. The virus always fights the cure.

  • docdave88

    President Trump was my fourth choice behind Cruz, Fiorina and Carson (Sorry, Marco “Send in 10,000,000 New Democrat Voters So I Can Prove How Moderate I can Be” Rubio was never considered).

    When it came time to pull the lever (well, to fill in the black dot here in backwards Missouri) he had the only qualification that mattered.

    He. was. not. Monica. Lewinsky’s. Boyfriend’s. Wife.

    • Aaron_Burr

      Like you, I was not an early Trump supporter. But when it came down to it, I finally came over primarily for the SCOTUS nominations. The prospects of Hillary appointing as many as three or four Ruth Bader Ginsberg clones to SCOTUS was too hideous to contemplate. Case in point: this clown Lawrence Tribe from Harvard who is out there ranting about starting impeachment proceedings before there is any actual evidence was at the top of her list.

      • docdave88


        The way I saw it it was a binary election for the survival of the Republic.

        My frustration notwithstanding, I’m at least optimistic that my beautiful granddaughter won’t grow up at the mercy of a block chairman. We dodged that bullet anyway.

  • irish19

    Yet another one hit right out of the park by Dr. Hanson.

    • C T

      Except one little point, which far too many people have missed. The first executive order on immigration didn’t “target green-card holders.” People who already have green cards are not treated as “immigrants” when they enter the USA. It’s right there in the definitions section of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The “immigrants” who were affected by the order were those holding immigrant visas in hand, not those who already immigrated. Once green card holders establish at the border that they they are who they say they are and that they haven’t done anything to lose their green card status, they’re in, no “admission” necessary under the immigration laws.

  • ryan mark

    I would argue that it is the never trumpers who are validating the tabloid style reporting of the NYT and WaPo by reacting to articles solely supported by anon sources. The NYT and WaPo try to pass off gossip columns as “investigative journalism.” I don’t really see the difference between the top tabloids and NYT and WaPo. They are all basing stories on an “anonymous source in the know.” The difference is that RINOs and never trumpers, McCain and rubio etc REACT to the gossip columnesque stories by NYT and WaPo and freak out. The GOP should say, as Clinton did over and over again, there is no “evidence” (meaning admissible in court of law) that anything improper has taken place.

  • mrboz

    Praise for the one man in the media that consistently understands the Trump movement.

  • cellisis

    those never trumpers are not that different from hillary-voting dem elites. they are all in a pathetic elite camp, crying over spilt milk…

  • 24601Ind

    A new theme is arising, that our political polarization is a result of us living in different realities. This column is an example. Cherry picking then minimizing 45’s faults, as well as the more extreme and ridiculous arguments criticizing, or worse attacking, him, is not difficult. I’m an independent, who sincerely wanted him to succeed, given he’s the pilot of the only plane our country has. I wanted to be tired of winning. I regret the inappropriate insults to him and his family, as much as I regretted similar and worse slams of President Obama and his family. Still, I saw no reference in VDH’s argument, other than passing generalities, (too favorable to 45 under the circumstances) about the things that concern me and the media whom are our best defense against what has proven on a weekly, if not daily basis, to be a dumpster fire of an administration. Did I miss VDH speaking of repeated doubling down of easily verifiable lies (inauguration size, Obama wiretapping, protection of pre-existing condition in ACHA, treated worst politician ever, etc.): of the manner in which we’ve become a joke internationally, of the proud introduction of “alternative facts” into our national lexicon, of the clear conflicts of interest between his organization/family and the public trust, of demonizing the media an “an enemy of the people”, of the inability to control his tweet machine; of the shallowness of his ability to absorb the important policy and intelligent challenges facing the country; of his consistent refusal to accept that the POTUS is constitutionally subject to checks and balances, which has sustained our nation for all of our history; of his firing of Comey to impact the Russian investigation? Jonah Goldberg explained his “never Trump” position better than VDH has – simply, Jonah expects to be a columnist/pundit long after 45 has left the scene, and he believes that to have any credibility in that post Trump world, he’ll have to avoid becoming a Trump sycophant. This column is an example of how VDH has no problem with such a perception.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      what “lie” was it about wiretapping? Are you seriously saying Trump etc was not tapped/ How was Flynn outed then? What “lie” was the pre-existing conditions, since it’s still there? what politician WAS treated worse?

      Sorry, pajama boy, disagreement with your opinion is not a “lie”
      What a douche

      • 24601Ind

        I’ll type this slowly so it’s easier for you to read. Our intelligence agencies monitor phone calls with Russian, not American, citizens in the US. Even a d-bag like US Congressman Peter Roskam just wrote to his constituents that ” I have publicly stated that I have seen no evidence of the claim that the President was wiretapped by the Obama Administration. ” While we were monitoring Russian communications, Trumpers were in contact with the Russians, and so, they appeared in the Russian conversations. If they’d never called the Russians during the campaign, they would never have been recorded. That’s wiretapping Russians, not the Trump campaign.
        Under Obamacare, Insurers were not able to increase premiums for pre-existing conditions, meaning we all helped pay for the sickest among us. That’s how insurance works. The people who’s homes don’t burn down pay into the fund to pay for the folks whose homes catch fire. There’s no special pool for burning houses. But the new ACHA says insurers can cover pre-existing conditions, but can charge higher rates for them. That’s not the same. Which politicians were treated worse? JFK, RFK, Lincoln were shot as I recall. Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years. Obama had to deal with a 40% of the country thinking he was a Kenyan born Muslim, led by 45. How’s that for a start?

        • silencedogoodreturns

          keep those Media Matters talking points coming. Your arguments are like saying apples aren’t really red, because some are green.

          • 24601Ind

            I know, right? Facts can be really annoying.

    • Alexander Fretheim

      Why do you think this is a dumpster fire of an administration? He’s gotten a fair bit done already: decreased illegal immigration 70%, reformed the EPA, appointed a good Supreme Court nominee, stabilized what was a rapidly deteriorating relationship with Russia, made some good progress on getting rid of Obamacare and gotten the Keystone pipeline going again. Sure, he hasn’t done everything we want yet, but he’s only been president four months and much of the time he’s been distracted by whacky legal sleight of hand over Flynn and such.

  • sestamibi

    Outstanding post as usual, Mr. Hanson. I’ve been saying the same all along about the neocons, and I put my money where my mouth is by dropping my subscriptions to The Weekly Standard and Commentary.

  • Snikkerz

    Hillary’s fate was sealed after she announced that half of the country was populated by deplorable people and that she would see to it that another large number of voters in coal country would be fired from their jobs. What a sweetheart! Trump can be a boor at times and certainly did not distinguish himself with the manner in which he fired Comey, although the firing was well deserved. If Trump can clean up and control some of his impulsiveness, he will turn out to be one of our finest presidents.

    • St Reformed

      The snotty Elite can no longer hide their distain for the untouchables.

  • pogden297

    It’s hard to take the author serious after his absurd conclusion as to No. 1. The Trump administration is in utter chaos and the President’s legislative “agenda” is going nowhere, despite Republican control of both houses of Congress. Only if the President’s agenda is ineffectual chaos and complete loss of credibility from the nonstop lies can that agenda be defined as a “success.”

    • johnleehooker


      1. Trump will make 2-3+ SCOTUS appointments (not nominations, THANKS hairy). This means that decision, after decision, after decision for DECADES will be conservative. THIS is going to cause YOU and your ilk excruciating psychological pain and I”M FINE WITH THAT.

      2.I will also take immense pleasure watching this inevitability sink into your vile, violent, intolerant and hateful little world. BUCKLE UP…this is going to HURT…BAD

      • St Reformed

        “excruciating psychological pain”
        I always felt great empathy for all those in pain….until now.

    • Aaron_Burr

      Yes, and after a whole 120 days or so. Nice of you to give him some time to overturn years of swamp. But good news. More that 1,600 days to go so I suggest you go buy a soothing ointment. You’re going to need it.

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  • BlakeSDavis


    As for the never Trumpers – these people are the fringe, the RINOS the members loath and despise even more than they loath and despise Democrats, as difficult as that is to believe possible. They represent a very small – VERY SMALL – segment of the GOP. And without votes, all they have is a few magazines with low circulation that has limited, if any influence -a s was shown by Trumps win and Jeb’s utterly dismal performance.

    The problem with the GOP Leadership ,as opposed to the Never Trumpers, is that the Leadership has an agenda that is completely at odds with what it says. The Leadership claims to be conservative, but spends and spends, it claims to be for border enforcement, but clearly doesn’t want to do anything about it, it clearly wants amnesty, even though its base is unalterably opposed – the Leadership’s actions indicate that they do have guiding principles which are never articulated, since to do so would put them completely at odds with the voters they purport to represent.

    It’s also why any well funded campaign against a member of the Leadership usually results in the leader being toppled from power.

    The Leadership’s refusal to follow the wishes of the rank and file, and their dishonest dealings led directly to Trump. Leadership opposition to Trump was seen by the membership as a positive, since the Leadership is viewed by the rank and file as barely above Democrats in a certain sense, and far below Democrats in other respects. After all, what is worse than a traitor? And traitor is exactly how the membership sees the leaders of the GOP – as two faced, corrupt liars who ignore the wishes of the voters almost immediately on being elected – as if the leaders needed to announce and reassure those who really counted that they didn’t mean anything they said while running for office.

    Such an attitude by the GOP Leadership assumes a level of intelligence and participation that ignores the people who vote for the GOP. Polling indicates that the Leadership is extremely unpopular among the rank and file – there is simply nothing comparable to anything in the past or anything on the Democratic side.

    One wonders what it would be like if the Leadership dropped the pretense and actually said what they really believed. The most likely consequence would be that they would be gone in a New York minute.

    The result of this is that we have the leadership of a major party whose sworn enemy is the very people who put them in office – no political party can long survive under these circumstances. in fact, it is a testament to just how bad the Democrats are that the GOP is still in power.

    What has been happening over the last few weeks is that the Leadership has more or less deserted Trump and the rank and file know this full well. There is plenty of antipathy and good old hatred out here by the rank and file toward the GOP leadership, and they better watch out because no doubt there will be people gunning for their seats who believe in the same things as the rank and file – when this happens the Leadership shows its hypocrisy by mouthing the beliefs of the membership.

    But the membership is on to these hypocrites – one wonders what figure is the next to be “Cantorized.”

  • St Reformed

    There is an Elite Class, self-anointed overseers, who condescend perpetually against the “bitter clingers” & “deplorables” in flyover country. Many of the Elite cannot contain their open distain for these untouchables. Others, like the RINOs, try to deceive the world (including themselves) that they are simpatico. The masks are coming off. “Let slip the dogs of war!”

    • BlakeSDavis

      You said in 2 sentences what it took me a number of paragraphs to articulate – well done!

  • Nat10000

    Another stupid article from.this silly old man. Trump is weak and stupid, just like the majority of people who voted for him, and the republicans hate him almost as much as the democrats do. They want to get rid of him now because in two weeks he’ll have said and done another bunch of scandalous things and the GOP looks worse every week.

    • Aaron_Burr

      Back under your bridge, troll.

      • Nat10000

        He will not last the summer. In fact he may not last the spring

        • Aaron_Burr

          Right. You just keep believing that. In the meantime, I suggest you procure a soothing ointment because when it turns out you’re wrong it’s going to be one long 8-year butt hurt for you. And then you get to look forward to President Pence.

          • Nat10000

            Trump’s a pussy. Pence would be worse from.a policy standpoint but we need a professional in.the white house and pence would be that.

        • Raptors4Jesus

          Nat drank too much Kool-Aid to think soberly. Trump is an effect, not a cause, of consultant-class rule. If you believe what you hear coming out of the swamp, you are falling into their trap.

          • Nat10000

            Well, time will tell. In.the last week.or so even the republicans have become embarrassed of him. I suppose the guys wearing the kneepads may worship him.forever in their servile way but man.. They should listen to what the republicans are saying of him

          • Aaron_Burr

            Just had to toss in that no-so-subtle homophobic slur, didn’t you? Obviously not able to just make your point.

          • Nat10000

            Well, of course I’m.kidding but as a description of millions of right wing men.who.have never forgiven. Bill Clinton for being more successful with women.than.they, or Obama for being more intelligent than.the people they know, it fits. Because weak and stupid; always has been. Remove his fathers money from.the picture and he is managing some grocery store.upstate.

            But scroll.around and read what some of the people–guys, mostly , are saying of him. It’s embarrassing to read

          • Raptors4Jesus

            Which republicans? The ones who say they are for small government then bend over the second a progressive demands funds for another freebie entitlement? The ones who told us a preemptive strike in Iraq would bring democracy to the middle east? The ones who enjoy the fruits of cheap undocumented labor in their nurseries and yards? This is a battle between us little people v. Leviathan. Leviathan speaks from both sides of his mouth and sees all of us as foolish little deplorables who exist only to feed him. The stupid little people rebelled and voted in a foreign object to destroy the administrative state. Leviathan fights back by spreading a lie a day. This time in history could end very tragically for us. Don’t be one of the people who sees it too late.

        • sosumi idk

          Whether he lasts or not, Trump did the nation a huge service by forcing the Left (and so-called “never trumpers”) to reveal their ugliest inner selves.

          Nobody will ever trust them again. Even those who despise Trump and who now ally with them out of convenience see that they are not only corrupt but treasonous.

          • Nat10000

            Im.not certain of what u even think u.mean but this is an especially stupid comment in.view of the fact that Trump is the dumbest and most embarrassing president we have ever had and he is probably also the dumbest to have ever been nominated, too.

            U r the most recent right wing person ive seen doing this thing u just did, where u.say a thing true of your side of the equation– the “revealing the ugliest self, ” which the trump voters did in picking this jerkoff.

            This is apparently a thing totalitarians do, where they hijack even the language the people speak and claim that it says a thing it doesn’t. U did it here. In.the last month ice seen.right wing people call student protestors, AMD liberals generally, “fascist,” when fascist is what the right has been. There is trumps “fake news” bit, which he began pretty quickly after we began noting the deluge of it from.right wing sources. And I also remember a similar thing a year or so ago where for a month or two right wing people started claiming that mass shooters are liberals rather than right wing losers.

            I don’t believe any of u r smart enough to have actually planned that, I rather think u have adopted these fascist practices Cuz it is in.your nature to do so.

          • sosumi idk

            I can’t understand you. Learn grammar.

          • Nat10000

            Haha.. U understand EXACTLY what I have said of u.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      where did you get your GED?

  • jim Croft

    I’m a democrat have been all my long life. I have supported Trump from the beginning. I do not support either political party…

    • Aaron_Burr

      I was not an early Trump supporter. But when it came down to it, I finally came over primarily for the SCOTUS nominations. The prospects of Hillary appointing as many as three or four Ruth Bader Ginsberg clones to SCOTUS was too hideous to contemplate.

      Case in point: this clown Lawrence Tribe from Harvard who is out there ranting about starting impeachment proceedings before there is any actual evidence was at the top of her list.

  • pomeroo

    A superb piece by a cogent thinker! Hanson gets everything right.

    The moral idiocy of the Never-Trumpers remains a wonder to me.

    • Aaron_Burr

      It’s particularly irritating because they have to be smart enough to know that putting Democrats back in charge, while it would give them lots to oppose, would also be a death sentence for the country.

      • sosumi idk

        They either just don’t care about the country, or they just plain agree with the left.

        Most never-trumpers differ from Democrats only in that they oppose the social programs, entitlements & welfare games, and want money handled differently.

  • swek

    Defending the indefensible

  • Alexander Fretheim

    “How a billionaire real estate developer appeared, saw that paradox, and became more empathetic to the plight of
    middle-class Americans than the array of Republican political pundits is
    one of the most alarming stories of our age.”

    Actually it’s not that surprising, for two reasons. First of all, any developer would have been more attuned to the needs, concerns and values of the working class than almost any other kind of businessman for the simple and basic reason that real estate firms are relatively small, non-bureaucratic and egalitarian. There aren’t many degrees of separation (often only one or two) between the laborers and the owners. Even the lowest and least temp laborer could get an audience with the chairperson, if he wanted it – when I was working at Cam West as a laborer briefly after college, a very major Seattle area residential developer, there were only two managers between me and the owner of the company. But even more than that, Trump was not just any real estate developer and he certainly wasn’t building “little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky tacky” for wine-sipping wealthy housewives in the former wild hills of what used to be a California or Colorado rancho – he was Mr. New Jersey. He made his fortune buying abandoned properties, both beautiful historic structures like the Plaza Hotel in Lower Mannhattan, and vast swaths of degraded, impoverished, drug-addled post-industrial communities in New Jersey like Newark, Trenton and Atlantic City that actually lost more manufacturing jobs than Detroit or Ohio: He then improved these properties, often selling for $500,000 what he bought for $100,000, and that, and not just tearing apart the hills with more suburban sprawl, was how he made his fortune.

    • Bailey

      You make an interesting point. A major building project in a city is one stressful complex undertaking. One can certainly see a worried billionaire showing up on site to see how his investment is progressing and unlike so many elitist pols or journalists, that billionaire is probably more open to hearing the concerns or doubts by the workers actually engaged in the building process. When there’s big bucks involved a successful developer probably doesn’t stand on ceremony.

  • Jay Sourit

    Another excellent Hanson column.

    His is the voice of wisdom on the right.

    • sosumi idk

      He is one of the best conservative writers today.

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  • tjblackdog

    The best line of 2017, “Washington, never told a lie.” “Nixon, never told the truth.” “Trump, doesn’t know the difference.”

  • TheDreadedGug

    Professor Hanson is an intelligent and thoughtful man, but he gets crushes on people like Trump and Palin for some inexplicable reason, and it clouds his ability to see reality for what it is. Trump is a fatally flawed, undisciplined, ignorant buffoon. He is like a chimp throwing its own shit around inside the Oval Office. You voted for a Vandal. Now watch Rome burn.

  • SpeedMaster


    “Finally, there was something deeply wrong in the Republican Party that at some point required a Trump to excise it.”

    Simply put, the Republican Party caught the Globalism disease. It was fatal.

  • RJones

    The essential betrayal of the never-trumpers was acceptance of the establishment treatment and outcomes of Susan Rice/Obama lying directly to Americans, the debates being interferred with by the moderator, the IRS targeting of conservatives, debate questions being given to Clinton in advance, the many criminal acts of clinton excused by comey/lynch. Even today, NR writers say comey is a “man of deep integrity” when absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. And, there’s hardly any interest in digging into Obamas corruption of intelligence and leveraging it to spy on Americans, including the republicans who were spied upon. Yeah a few disparaging articles. Big deal. These people let down America and contributed to the destruction of our country. This is why we elected Trump and this is why we now despise never-trumpers. Liars. No integrity. My hope is their children will see them for the human garbage that they really are.

  • Fred Doe

    Never before in the history of this country has a completely corrupt losing party, globalists and a corrupt media filled with Fake News, attempted to take down a constitutionally elected president through a constant barrage of unsourced lies, charges, insinuations and phony scandals with absolutely no proof of any kind ever being presented! This is in fact an attempted coup by the elites meant to deny the people their right to select the president of their choice, and is in fact TREASON and should be treated as such!

  • mmercier0921

    I am not a Trump supporter. I am essentially an anticommunist. When we reach the point where we are forced to reconcile grievances… we will not wear masks.

    We do not want to fight, but we damn sure will.

  • John Smith

    This article is so well written that it amazes me that someone so smart could come to such faulty conclusions. Hansen invents four reasons that ‘the left’ uses to vilify Trump voters, and attacks each of the four. Besides his arbitrary selection of these four items, there are intentional omissions and faulty conclusions in the essay.

    #1: Character flaws: Hansen focuses on the ‘glee’ of the left at Trump’s mistakes, which are mitigated by such things as Trump’s nomination of an acceptable Supreme Court Justice or his favorable position about the keystone pipeline. Hansen doesn’t mention Trump’s unusual lies about millions voting against him, or Hillary Clinton being fired from the Watergate Commission. When a President lies and doubles down on those lies, people expressing derision are reasonable. Mr. Hansen thinks it is irrational for people to be upset, instead focusing on minor policy victories. Hansen believes that people who feel this way must be ‘progressives’ led by the fake media. Nice try at labeling those people. Sorry, some people might just be more interested in character than their personal favorite policy positions.

    #2: Backsliding Conservative: Hansen’s points are not false, but he ignores the elephant in the room. Trump’s firing of Comey, his admission through tweets that he discussed classified information with the Russians, and again, his character flaws, will diminish the political capital necessary to enact policies desired by conservatives. Hansen makes a list of things that are going well, but ignores the effect of Trump’s near daily controversies on the conservative agenda. Hansen also mentions the increased national debt that will be incurred from lower tax revenue but says it is not an issue yet. The “left” might find it irrational that the former Tea Party folks have abandoned this issue.

    #3: Nuts, Bigots, and Populists: Hansen writes that conservatives have been well behaved but the left has not. Masked left wing protestors are used as an example. How many of these protestors are creating havoc? Hundreds? Out of a population of nearly 400 million? This argument seeks to generate fear or antipathy toward those on the left. Hansen never addresses the issue of people tolerating racial insults, like when Trump labelled a Federal Judge born in Indiana as biased because he was of “Mexican Heritage.” The right’s ability to tolerate such a statement is frightening and disappointing for those who voted against Trump.

    #4: Clinton agenda: Hansen makes reasonable points about the Clinton agenda.

    Is Hansen correct to include only these four points? Could there be additional reasons? Did he consider others, besides the immorality of the statement regarding the Federal Judge from Indiana whose misfortune was being born with a Mexican last name? How about the fact that Trump has conflicts of interest as President? How about the problem of promising to release his tax returns after an audit, and then retracting that pledge immediately after the election? How about firing Comey during an investigation of possible improprieties with regard to Russia? How about Comey’s assertion that Trump asked him to suspend the investigation of Flynn before he was fired? Or Trump’s appointment of Devos for Secretary of Education, who didn’t seem like the brightest tool in the shed when she suggested that firearms would be helpful in schools because of the threat of grizzly bears? Or Rick Perry’s nomination as Secretary of Energy? Mr. Perry is noteworthy for refusing to state that carbon fuels are likely responsible for climate change and didn’t know that the nuclear arsenal was under the jurisdiction of the Department of Energy. In short, Hansen focused on the well regarded security nominations because he couldn’t argue in favor of the insanity of nominating Devos or Perry. This is one of many examples of Mr. Hansen’s intentional omissions, an intellectually dishonest exercise if there ever was one.

    For someone who has such mastery of the English language to come to faulty conclusions abetted by intentional omissions is disheartening to this reader.

  • Susan Paxton

    I take it VDH enjoys pissing all over his classical education by drooling over Donald Trump. What a disgrace.

  • walkergw

    Wow, this is a terrible article from someone blind to what is going on. Honestly, what have you gotten from Trump? A conservative judge and a bunch of stalled efforts. If you are conservative, you can make the case that control of the court validates electing Trump. But really that is it. In the long run, Trump will give a black eye to conservativism and anyone associated with him. This will be a huge blow and really makes it questionable to me. Conservatives would be best served by getting him out of the way and Pence to take over.

  • walkergw

    During the election the party of Trump tried to convince us Never-Trump that if Trump failed, the whole conservative failure would be on us. They tried to vilify us because they saw us standing in the way of what they wanted. After the election, they did a happy dance and reminded us that we meant nothing. And we were unable to stop them. Now all of a sudden we are being vilified again. There is and always has been only one reason for vilifying us, we are being seen as standing in the way. The unwritten point of this article is that Trump is once again in trouble. And we are being asked to give up our morals and support this POS. Never happened, never going to happen. You made your bed, now you have to sleep in it. Meanwhile in Washington politicians keep on doing their mental calculations on what all this means for them. Once they realize that Trump is damaging them and their chances to stay in power, they will turn on Trump instantly. That day is coming very soon as Trump’s problems grow and his support shrinks and shrinks. This author realizes this if not just subconsciously and that is why once again he is trying to ratchet up support for Trump by calling on us Never Trump. What do we have to gain from it? Nothing, we never bought into this amoral President. There is no advantage to us to see him continue to damage the real conservative cause. Get him out of the way and let Pence try to right the ship.

  • Wookies_Rule

    Whatever one thinks of Trump (I don’t think much …), Hanson’s conclusion:

    “Trump was not so much a reflection of red-state Americans’ political ignorance, as their weariness with those of both parties who ridicule, ignore, or patronize them—and now seek to overturn the verdict of the election.”

    is correct. A significant part of HRC’s loss was a result of her (and the Democratic Party’s) dismissal of rust belt workers and miners, who have been suffering for decades. Her tin ear comments during the campaign were immensely harmful to her cause.

  • itsdeplorablespideyman

    The last straw with the traditional Republican Party came for me in the Mississippi senatorial election when the Party started handing out money to Democrats to vote for Cochran versus McDaniel. That cemented for me the need to keep power in the “right” hands, and not those of the constituents.

  • gearbox123

    Both parties ignored Middle America for the past 40 years – they were obsessed with the black vote or the brown vote or the women’s vote, and both parties paid for it. The question is, can “Establishment Republicans” learn that lesson or will they go back to the country club in 2018 and stop talking to the “rubes” out there in flyover country?

  • Herr Doktor H

    Really? Is this the best that the Trump apologists can come up with; fabricating undefined parallels between Trump’s collosal ignorance and boorishness, and Obama or Clinton, and bashing an entire class of the majority of Americans who – with good reason – doubt the historic deviation be that Trump makes from anything remotely approximating the duty and role of a President. He is not a uniter, he is not a worker. He is not a steward and he is not a listener to anything but the six fireflies that fly around in his head. I decided to try to understand the perspective of these apologists and listened to the flattering invitation to do a by the New York Times to read something “conservative”. Pee and prostitutes are anything but conservative. What I got is empty smoke and mirrors. That is, incidentally, how real American historians will label this entire embarrassing and treasonous chapter in our history.