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Sex, Politics, and the Judiciary: We’ve Seen This Movie Before

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A claim of sexual harassment of any kind is now the nuclear option in American politics. It was most famously (although unsuccessfully) deployed against Clarence Thomas, 27 years ago, near the end of his confirmation hearings, by a former subordinate, Anita Hill. To this day, Justice Thomas’s detractors believe Hill, but Thomas has always denied Hill’s charges; and while, in my opinion, the evidence supported Thomas’s version of the story, when it is a matter of “he said; she said,” it is usually difficult, if not impossible, to know who is telling the truth.

No doubt, women are often subject to horrible abuse by powerful men. When the abuse is recent, continuing, and well-documented—as it was and is, for example in the case of Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein—it is only right that the full force of the media and society, and perhaps even criminal prosecution be used to punish the perpetrator and secure justice for the victims. But it is also true that fabricated charges of sexual harassment are difficult conclusively to rebut, and it is nearly impossible to repair a falsely besmirched reputation, as we learned, for example, in the case of the Duke lacrosse players or the more recent incident involving the University of Virginia fraternity.

So what are we to think about the recent bombshell allegations against Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Judge Roy Moore? The judge—known as the Ten Commandments judge, for his defiance of the federal courts when he was a sitting Alabama jurist and ordered (wrongly, it could be argued) to remove representations of the Decalogue from his courtroom—has been accused by three women of engaging in inappropriate sexual contact. One of those women reportedly was only 14 (the age of consent in Alabama was 16 at the time), when Moore was 32, almost four decades ago. Moore flatly and vehemently denies the allegations, published in the Washington Post, a liberal newspaper that endorsed his Democratic opponent.

Moore, a Republican, had been comfortably ahead in the polls in a state that has now been very red for some time. The U.S. Senate is nearly evenly divided between the two parties, and if the Democrat defeats Moore in the election a month from now, the Democrats would have a much better chance of defeating the legislative initiatives of the Trump Administration. The stakes, in other words, could not be higher, and this is one of the most chilling examples in this country of politics as a blood sport.

If the then-single and adult Moore did the acts of which he was accused with a minor, it is not clear that his conduct was necessarily criminal (since his conduct, while clearly immoral may not have violated any statutes). But if illegal, it is also clear that he would now be immune from prosecution, since the statute of limitations for any such crimes would have passed long ago. A statute of limitations forbids the government from bringing any charges regarding acts that occurred far in the past because of the risk that memories will have lapsed, corroborating witnesses may no longer be available, and any supplemental forensic proof would likely no longer exist.

Ours is a system of jurisprudence in which the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty; it takes proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict one of criminal acts, and even in a civil court one cannot prevail without a preponderance of evidence. Thus, “he said, she said” matters, in court, are losers. In the court of public opinion, however, slander, calumny, and unscrupulousness can prevail, which is why, strangely enough, America’s Founders used to say there were only two ways to ruin a republic: an excess of luxury and the licentiousness of the press.

Is it licentious of the Washington Post to publish these allegations, which, even if they were true, occurred more than four decades ago? The founders probably employed the word “licentious” in its older connotation to denote behavior that went against established rules or practices, rather than the new meaning of sexually illicit or promiscuous. Even so, these days sex sells and not only is it politically potent, in our prurient age a charge such as that levied against Roy Moore is likely to be trumpeted to the four corners of our country by every conceivable media outlet.

There was a time when there were customs of restraint regarding sexual innuendo and rumor, perhaps because of the difficulties of proof and the radioactive nature of the charges. That time is now gone. Current misconduct ought to be exposed, but is it asking too much once again to secure some sort of statute of limitations or standards for sexually sensational reportage?

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736 replies
  1. signtalker
    signtalker says:

    The evidence supported Thomas’s version of the story, when it is a matter of “he said; she said,” it is usually difficult, if not impossible, to know who is telling the truth.
    This is true, however in any dispute one can always fall back on the social contract. You say to yourself who do I trust in this complicated mess. I for one do not have a problem with this.
    After all, we have to trust something even if it comes down to our own judgement.

    • dirk gently
      dirk gently says:

      Anita Hill’s accusation that it started when they were working at location A, and continued after Thomas was transferred to location B, and Hill willingly followed Thomas to location B makes her completely untrustworthy.

      Either she enjoyed what Thomas was doing (and lied about it), or she’s fabricated the offenses (and thus is a liar).

        • Kurt
          Kurt says:

          In the case of Anita Hill, to me it was not that I did not believe her, it was only that I don’t think that what she was charging Thomas with rose to the level of any type of sexual misconduct. Let me see if I can recall – he was persistent in asking her out on dates, he made remarks about a porn star, and made a joke about a pubic hair.

        • JSirko
          JSirko says:

          So I guess if someone molested your daughter you’d encourage her to follow that someone to a new job so she could be molested further. Typical liberal logic, absolutely no critical reasoning ability.

          • aj1575
            aj1575 says:

            As I said, it is always the womens fault….
            As I understood the story, he played nice with here at the first meeting, then lured her to another place, where he could go after his sexual goals (typical strategy of sexual predators).

      • Mark Syman
        Mark Syman says:

        Plus, Anita Hill said the reason she followed Justice Thomas from one job to another is that she was worried about her employment prospects. She was a graduate of Yale law School and graduated with honors. She is just a flat out shameless liar.

      • Maxentius
        Maxentius says:

        So why not inform instead of snark? Is everyone expected to feverishly read every article for every detail? Some of us have a life apart from politics.

          • Tom Tutone
            Tom Tutone says:

            BS, if this were true it would have been found out years ago. For me, rubbing the genitals of a 14 year old girl 38 years ago is not disqualifying. Why wouldn’t anyone vote for him? What do they think he is going to do in the Senate? Juanita Broderick would happily change places with the alleged victim.

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            If Juanita Broderick had come forward at any time during the 8 elections that occurred between what she alleges and when she said it, you’d have a point.

            Fact remains that she failed to come forward until Clinton had run his last race in 1996, so no one ignored her when voting.

            now, Alabamans, go vote.

          • odys
            odys says:

            But you miss the whole point as it is on the top of your head. Bill Clinton was elected and did serve and so should Justice Moore. Its only fair after all, wouldn’t you agree?

          • Maxentius
            Maxentius says:

            That’s the problem though. The moral outrage from the left is fake. I don’t believe for a minute that you would be so strident if it was a D senate candidate under accusation. After all, a famous D left a woman to drown in a car and lawyered up, only he went on to become “The Lion of the Senate….” So what happens is that while many on the Right don’t like what Moore did, they are no longer willing to commit seppuku every time an accusation arises.

            BTW, have you posted outraged posts about Biden’s creepy, grabby behavior?
            I didn’t think so. See? Fake outrage.

            Remember, Bill Clinton took advantage of a young woman and lied about it under oath–and it was “all about sex…” That was and is the D line. The line is different when it is an R. Only then must women be protected from unwanted behavior. I don’t think that works any more. These are the rules the Left has made, and now they have to live in that world like the rest of us.

            So, I don’t take your outrage at face value–though I do not go so far as to assume you are lying or being deceptive. You might just be rabidly partisan and not realize it.

          • Brian
            Brian says:

            Would you say that a 32 year old man rubbing your 14 year old daughters genitals is cool? That is the standard you should apply. Time passed is not a factor.

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            Except, of course, for Moore’s evasive non-denials about chasing teenagers when in his 30s.

            Alabama: The Creeps for Senate State.

          • odys
            odys says:

            So you still have nothing. Like always with you. You should get a better writer for your posts, these ones are truly lame.

          • Maxentius
            Maxentius says:

            Well, it wasn’t illegal to date teenagers in Alabama. So the only relevant accusation is whether he broke the law–that would be the 14 year old. Conflating the two is dishonest.

          • Maxentius
            Maxentius says:

            Sorry, not illegal. Conflating legal and illegal behavior is dishonest. And I am sure you are outraged by Joe Biden’s grabby behavior, and you have left a trail of outrage somewhere on the Internet.

            Or perhaps not; hence, fake outrage on your part.

          • Maxentius
            Maxentius says:

            Maybe. But in any case, you could simply have said that. Instead you more or less assumed everyone follows every aspect of every story. An assumption like that is merely a rhetorical ploy.

  2. MichaelKennedy
    MichaelKennedy says:

    The accuser with the most outrageous claim (she was 14) has a history. “Blaming the victim” is a current complaint but I do wonder. Has anyone interviewed her three ex-husbands to determine her reliability and honesty ?

      • Maxentius
        Maxentius says:

        Hmmm, Rush Limbaugh had three ex wives, so we should not interview ex husbands of the one accusing someone of a crime? Sorry, but non-sequiturs are not a real argument.

      • Sherlocktoo
        Sherlocktoo says:

        Didn’t know Rush was running for the senate. Liberalism is such a horrible disease. I do hope we can cure it in your lifetime.

        • vidgamenerd
          vidgamenerd says:

          As a voting citizen of the Great State of Alabama let me clue you in…the Accuser??? Worked for Hillary and Joe Biden.There are now multiple pics of her social media pages showing this.She has also been in the tank for Judge Moore’s (D)imwitted opponent almost since he first announced his run(also with pics from her social media and shared across this state). What you are looking at is a classic hit piece from the (D)imwitted Party. After all the contentious elections that Judge Moore has run in it is unbelievable at this point in the race for these accusations to pop up.I hope that Roy Moore pulls a Donald Trump and offers to sue the crap out of anyone presenting allegations without proper physical evidence.

          • Barry Isaacs
            Barry Isaacs says:

            But do you believe the scam will work? Imagine if the judge loses and then the woman says, ‘OK, I lied.’

          • RRDRRD
            RRDRRD says:

            It is irrelevant to the subject at hand. Your’s is a weak attempt to distract from the issue at hand but I am sure the DNC will pay you the usual 8 cents per post.

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            If having 3 ex spouses is a reason to doubt credibility then Limbaugh’s credibility should be at issue as well as some woman from Alabama.

            And if it isn’t, they why raise it?

          • RRDRRD
            RRDRRD says:

            Limbaugh is irrelevant to the topic – he did not make the claims about Moore. If he did, you would have a point. As it stands you are just being obtuse.

          • Steve Scale
            Steve Scale says:

            Not in this case. You are just using Rush as a deflection. Rush had nothing to do with this woman’s 40 yr old claims. She is the only one that can be judged on her own credibility. The timing of this being most suspicious.

          • Prof_Turby
            Prof_Turby says:

            It’s not suspicious at all..

            It was well timed…
            Just like the accusations against Trump…
            Well timed…
            Don’t think the citizens of Alabama will fall for it…

          • Deserttrek
            Deserttrek says:

            who cares what limbqaugh says or doesn’t say , he is not running for office nor does he hold an elected or appointed office
            no sane person gives a rats rear end

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            Agreed that no sane person gives a rats petard about what Limbaugh says.

            Indeed, those that do should probably lose their right to vote.

          • Deserttrek
            Deserttrek says:

            I place that on ALL talk radio and ALL cable or non cable news and opinion shows , includes msnbc and cnn
            so stop using him as an example to fit your twisted narrative

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            Are you the person who said that Moore’s accuser is not credible because three divorces?
            That’s the person I addressed with Limbaugh.
            If you’re not that person, don’t ask me to stop talking about multiple divorce = not credible.
            Criticize him.

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            Hmm,
            Two divorces
            Impregnates girlfriend while married
            6 bankruptcies.
            Lies about the height of his buildings, and the number of floors in them
            Claims to be a “small businessman” to get federal aid after 9/11.

            Wow.

            You must really think that Old Bone Spur is a massive, massive liar.

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            Innocent until proven guilty.
            Just like you said when future federal prisoner Mike Flynn said “lock her up.”

            I really admire your consistency.

          • Deserttrek
            Deserttrek says:

            hey mohammed, again I don’t give a F**K what Flynn said, or you or anybody
            get a grip on reality and do it soon

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            you don’t seem to get it. I was talking to someone else. you butted in. If you don’t care about something, then don’t butt in.

          • D. Ploribus Unum
            D. Ploribus Unum says:

            “You better put some ice on that.”

            — BJ Clinton, after biting Juanita Broddrick’s lip while raping her

            So a presidential rapist isn’t important to you? Noted.

          • Paul52
            Paul52 says:

            As I noted previously, none of this came out until AFTER Clinton’s reelection in 1996. Clinton went through about 8 elections at State & Federal levels between the alleged occurrence and the accusation.
            Had she come forward earlier, you’d have a case.

            But the FACT remains that NO ONE voted for Clinton in spite of a rape allegation.

      • Brian
        Brian says:

        We don’t even need to interview Ivana. Her rape by Donald over his rage about hair plugs is public record already.

    • Rosa1984
      Rosa1984 says:

      The statute of limitations has expired, and she can’t even prove the allegations. Its cheap, and its desperate on the part of Democrats.

    • Barry Isaacs
      Barry Isaacs says:

      A woman whose brother dated the alleged 14 year old the same year that the purported incident with the judge occurred said her brother was dating a 17 year old, not a 14 year old. Let’s see her birth certificate.

        • Barry Isaacs
          Barry Isaacs says:

          Fact checking is when one is interested in the truth. Regarding Republicans, there is no interest. And regarding Democrats, there are no inquiries. That is the MSM way.

  3. Bob Acker
    Bob Acker says:

    Well, Mr. Raoul Berger Professor of Legal History Emeritus at Northwestern University’s Pritzker School of Law, you are a pimp. That was not rumor and innuendo, it was a circumstantial account that was repeated to friends and family at the time. Moore is a lying toad and you’re no better.

  4. Paul52
    Paul52 says:

    I remember reading something like this in American Greatness when the issue was Hillary Clinton.

    Oh, wait…

  5. Tom Tutone
    Tom Tutone says:

    If we can hamdle the Clintons, we can handle a Senator. I am sure Juanita Broderick would happily trade places with the alleged victim. Rubbing genitals through clothing 38 years ago??? This is what we are getting angry about. We have gone off the deep end!

  6. Carolinatarheel
    Carolinatarheel says:

    There should be a statute of limitations! Accusations should be made immediately—-not years later—-or they should have proof!

    Bless her heart, Monica had a stained blue dress!

    America First!

    • Brian
      Brian says:

      There is a statute of limitations for criminal charges, but the statute of limitations on whether you think it’s wrong is up to you. If the majority of Alabama voters feel this is an offense worth sidelining this already problematic senatorial candidate then so be it. Will you accept it?

  7. Harry Callahan
    Harry Callahan says:

    “it is only right that the full force of the media and society…be used to punish the perpetrator”

    I disagree. The “Court of Public Opinion” –aka “media and society” is a wholly owned subidiary of WaPo, NYT, and CNN. As such, those who reside on the wrong side of the aisle are pilloried, while those on the left fawned over. Entrusting justice to media and society puts us in the same realm as a third world dictatorship. USA must adhere to the Rule of Law.

    • aj1575
      aj1575 says:

      I whish you had the same opinion about press an articles when they are written on this page. Just check how AG threats sexual allegations against liberals, and those against conservatives.
      See a patern?
      Then go and check how CNN writes about Weinstein, Spacey and Co.

      • Brian
        Brian says:

        I’m not sure what you’re saying in your comment, but literally no one in the supposedly left leaning non-Fox/AMG media is defending anyone in Hollywood accused of sexual abuse or harassment. The only people defending or making excuses for pedophiles and sexual predators are among the GOP.

        I’m not saying the GOP supports sexual abuse or pedophilia, but they are completely consumed by a “win by any means” ideology that is destructive to both themselves and America. If you can’t even couch your support for Moore on a protective “if true” regarding the allegations, you have a major problem.

        • Rosa1984
          Rosa1984 says:

          The Democrats are the desperate ones! If you have to go back FORTY (40) YEARS to find something on your opponent, and you can’t even prove it…..

        • Rosa1984
          Rosa1984 says:

          If he was a sexual harasser/predator it would be continuous throughout his life, like Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton’s accusers started back at Oxford and all the way through his career, to the White House.

          Its different than making a mistake, realizing it was a mistake.. and Never repeating it again.

        • D. Ploribus Unum
          D. Ploribus Unum says:

          John Edwards knocked up a campaign groupie in 2008 while he was running for president, and while his wife was dying of breast cancer. The National Enquirer, of all publications, broke the story. The Demokkkrat Ministry of Truth known as the “mainstream” “media” had to be dragged kicking and screaming into covering what was literally a current affair. Roy Moore’s so-called transgressions, which cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt, occurred four decades ago.

          It’s nice to see Demokkkrats still have double standards, else they wouldn’t have any standards at all.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            He deserved to pay the price. And he did.

            And so will Judge Moore. If he’d stuck with “I thought she was 16”, he might have gotten away with it. Instead, he went for the “I didn’t even know her”. Big mistake, Judge.

        • Shore111
          Shore111 says:

          So when the big actors and actresses did not come out and protect their sisters from being sexually abused and remained quiet for 20-30 years that is acceptible to you? Thanks for the lesson in Dem morals.

          • Cloud Rider
            Cloud Rider says:

            An offense almost as cruel and self-serving as the acts themselves. “Everyone knew!”. No one DID ANYTHING! Profiles in Entitlement!

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            That was NOT Ok. Weinstein, Spacey and others are now paying the price. And so will Judge Moore. If he’s smart, he’ll disappear on a long fishing trip…

          • Pat Woods
            Pat Woods says:

            His accuser will recant when he’s elected.

            The WaPo will print the retraction of the story on page 14 of advertisement section.

          • Shore111
            Shore111 says:

            Wow – the stupid is strong in you. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure the clowns in your echo chamber love you, having any influence on adults, not so much.

        • 1stAmendment_101
          1stAmendment_101 says:

          Innocent until proven guilty! That includes all Democrats, Republicans, etc… If you cannot square that then you are hereby redirected to US Civics class!

          • 1stAmendment_101
            1stAmendment_101 says:

            You don’t know anything and neither do I. You trolls make a judgement based on

            nothing other than an allegation made by a left leaning, Trump hating newspaper. You are sad!

          • ron_goodman
            ron_goodman says:

            You must not have been paying attention. He is most assuredly a creep, his taste in little girls aside.

          • josh_bornstein
            josh_bornstein says:

            That is sort of an idiotic argument. In a criminal case? Sure, you’re correct. In a civil case? Sure…the burden of proof would be on an accuser. But that is NOT the situation here.

            Here is a hypo: You have young kids and are looking for a babysitter. There is a kid down the street who would like to earn a bit of extra money doing this and offers his services. In the meantime, 4 different families tell you that this kid sexually touched their own kids.

            Now, you have a choice. One: You can say to those families, “This kid is innocent till proven guilty. I AM going to hire him to be around my kids while I and my spouse go out for several hours.” Two: You can say, “This kid has never even been charged with a crime. But that does not matter to me. . . there is NO WAY IN HELL that this kid will ever be left alone with my young children. The risk is not worth it to me.”

            Now, 1stAmend, you are of course free to take the first option. But I doubt most people would do that. Your mileage may vary, of course.

          • Andrew Dixon
            Andrew Dixon says:

            So all someone has to do to get someone they don’t like fired or out of a political race is make an allegation that is pretty much impossible to disprove. That isn’t setting a dangerous precedent is it? You make it sound like you actually believe people wouldn’t make s*** up, you cant seriously be that f stupid can you. You cant seriously think everyone should be assumed guilty as soon as an allegation is made. F I hope some lunatic makes an untrue claim about you one day, you might f** learn something.

          • 1stAmendment_101
            1stAmendment_101 says:

            You still need proof or at the very least circumstances that leave no doubt in your mind. I could easily accuse you of anything without any proof if I had a bully pulpit like the WashPost. Now go ahead and prove me wrong after I have tarnished your life!

        • JimBob777
          JimBob777 says:

          And yet it is the dhimmiKKKrats who forcefully espouse the philosophy that “The ends justify the means.” One has to to go no further than Hairyass Reids calumny against Mittens Romney.

        • Pat Woods
          Pat Woods says:

          I laugh every time I hear a progressive lib whine that the GOP has a “win at any cost” attitude.

          Nothing could be further from the truth. It is the RED DONKEYS that carry this strain of DNA.

          The GOP carry a better message and plan for American but are very poor at being political, running campaigns, etc.

          The RED DONKEYS are a poll-tested focused, smooth, calculating and cunning public relations machine with virtual full backing from the MSM, whose message is quite poisonous to America, and yet most voters know it. Yet they somehow remain relevant in American politics. Silver-tongued devils are the Democrats, whose primary skill is deception.

          If the GOP were only half-as skilled at ‘politicking’ as the Dems, there would be no national DemoKrat Party, and all the RED DONKEYS would go to the glue factory.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            OK, then prove it. Say, “If Judge Moore did this, he has no business being in the Senate” and we’ll leave you alone.

          • Insanitea
            Insanitea says:

            Yeah, that’s pretty much the opposite of the truth. Issue by issue, the public agrees with Democratic policies almost two to one, almost across the board.

      • Harry Callahan
        Harry Callahan says:

        Bottom line: Do you believe careers and lives should be destroyed based upon unsubstantiated accusation? Or should our culture demand a higher standard?

        • ron_goodman
          ron_goodman says:

          The accusations are not “unsubstantiated”. The Post found about 30 people who knew the women/children involved and supported their stories.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            Why do you get off on defending child molesters? You think all these people made this stuff up? Really? When asked directly by Hannity, Judge Moore stumbled through his answer that he generally didn’t date teens without their mother’s permission. Immoral. And a moron.

          • 1SamTreadwell1
            1SamTreadwell1 says:

            And what happened to due process, including innocent until proven guilty?
            I think you hear what you “want” to hear.
            Stumbled through his lanswers with Hannity?
            Sure.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            Hey, what the hell is a lanswer?

            Read the WashPost article like McCain and Romney did and then come back and defend this immoral, hypocritical, jacka$$. He’s doubling down. “I didn’t even know her.” That’s a lie too far Judge.

          • David Majors
            David Majors says:

            Since voting records do NOT record who any particular person voted for -you do not know that she actually did vote for Trump. Not saying she didn’t- just that there is no way for anyone but her to actually know.

          • LionHeart0712
            LionHeart0712 says:

            How convienent!
            Not hard to find plenty lyin leftys ready and willing to destroy the opposition.

            If so many people knew, the guy would have been nailed years ago, your point gets destroyed before even saying it.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            Corfman is a Republican. She voted to Trump. She and your family had nothing to gain in telling this story now. They are clearly not out for the attention – I don’t think she’s done a single interview.

            The Judge could clear his name right now by taking a lie detector test. He says he didn’t even know her. Just answer the one question, Judge, and we’ll leave you alone.

          • LionHeart0712
            LionHeart0712 says:

            Trump was against Moore, but no one can prove how they voted. Tall tales are easy, you only believe tales when it’s about a righty, if it’s a lefty yous defend and deny. I wouldn’t believe this if it was about anyone, timing is everything.

          • LionHeart0712
            LionHeart0712 says:

            Please prove how she voted, you can’t, she can’t. Also, Trump was against Moore, so the case stinks all the way around.

            Gullible much?

          • josh_bornstein
            josh_bornstein says:

            Please stop supplying facts. Do you really think fringe-right voters here have an open mind about this? If they did not care about a person bragging about multiple sexual assaults ON TAPE, why on Earth do you think they will care about this?

          • Andrew Dixon
            Andrew Dixon says:

            When TF did he brag about multiple sexual assaults you lying dick. Firstly, He said they let him which isn’t assault, secondly it was a private tape of someone bragging about his sexual prowess, are you that naïve that you don’t think guys exaggerate there sexual conquests? Especially egotistical ones, which trump obviously is, and especially in private which the conservation was, it was never meant to be taped and go public.

          • Insanitea
            Insanitea says:

            A question for you: how do you know that someone is “letting you” grab their genitals? Do they hold up a sign or something?

        • 1SamTreadwell1
          1SamTreadwell1 says:

          At this very late date, these allegations are far too convenient to be believable.
          Especially given the motivations of the Washington Post.
          In any case, “innocent until proven guilty” should still rule the day.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            The 14 year-old is a Trump supporter and has corroborating witnesses from back at the time. Do you REALLY think she made this whole thing up and convinced a bunch of people to go along?

            She is coming out now like hundreds or even thousands of women around the country. No Republican or Democrat who molested a girl or sexually assaulted a woman is safe.

          • josh_bornstein
            josh_bornstein says:

            I do. I think that, when she told friends (and, at age 16, told her mother, I believe), she was secretly plotting: “Ha, ha, ha . . . I have made up a fake attempted rape allegation about a nobody DA, risked ruining my reputation by doing so. And now I’ll sit on the story, for decades, JUST IN CASE he runs for national office some day. Now, of course, if this guy is like the 99.99999973% of people who do NOT run for national office, I’ve risked all this for no reason at all.”

            That’s the sort of logic like, “I’m Barack Obama’s mom. My son has been born in a different country. But I will plant a false story in a Hawaii newspaper about my son being born here. JUST IN CASE he someday runs for president–40+ years from now. Bwah hah hah. GENIUS!!!!”

            Sigh.

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            Are you really that gullible? How do you KNOW she told her mother that when she was 16, rather than the mom simply claiming it now to support her daughter? Oh, gee, that’s right, you don’t.

            Your bit about Obama is every bit as stupid. IF Obama wasn’t born here, there’s a very very obvious reason to put the notice in the paper back then – to get the child American citizenship. In fact, that was notoriously common in Hawaii back then and for many years after that too.

            You make utterly stupid claims like that, failing to see the obvious flaws in your claims, and then try ridiculing others for supposedly not being so bright? Pathetic.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c2dd88d94332a73b4f7dc3c7c466ab6c5fca7c272cdaa59297d27d16b0386d04.jpg

        • aj1575
          aj1575 says:

          “Do you believe careers and lives should be destroyed based upon unsubstantiated accusation?”
          I understand that this is a difficult topic. The other side of the story is, should we call our daughters liars, if they accuse somebody of sexually assaulting them? “Or should our culture demand a higher standard?”

          • aj1575
            aj1575 says:

            “There is really only one side–the law, which is the only legitimate standard for justice in USA.”
            So why conservative media brings up Clinton-Levinsky? this was not against the law.
            With Moores case, we have one case with illegal conduct, and some other cases that were legal, but they make the illegal case more credible (if he goeas after 16 and 17 yo, why not also a 14yo?)

          • aj1575
            aj1575 says:

            Why do you assume that I am a Clinton supporter? I just showed you, that conservative media seem to take different standards for liberals and conservatives.
            And while most liberals seem to be a bit ashamed, that one of “their side” acts inappropriate, the conservatives just go on the counterattack and smear the accuser.

    • Paul Dillon
      Paul Dillon says:

      The MSM has become incompetant at smearing… or conversly, american have become wise and sensative to lies and distortion.

      Let all dirty secrets air out, oncludine the MSM treachery

      • Rob
        Rob says:

        Roy Moore has been a public figure for over 30 years. Had there been any validity at all to Gibson’s accusations, it would have surfaced and been dealt with long ago. Alabama conservatives are already PISSED at McConnell and the GOP for trying to deny them their favorite candidate, and now they’ve unleashed that “rebel spirit,” which means Moore will win in a landslide. As for the Democrat Socialist Bigots, they should have used their “sexual accusation” gimmick in a closer, purple-state
        election where it MAY have worked. Now, we all know to expect these dirty, false charges. Just like Trump’s “grab her” tape, which Hillary was depending on to win, all these cheap, dirty tricks are doing is firing up conservative voters.

        • The Demon Slick
          The Demon Slick says:

          Yeah this smear has to fail. It’s just not believable that his political opponents who live there couldn’t find these women but an out of town WaPo reporter was able to. And one is a former Hillary campaign staffer? No way. Just like the women who accused Trump and then vanished.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            Have you not heard of #metoo?

            These women are now comfortable speaking out for the first time ever. And down goes the Judge…

            But to be fair, nowhere in the 10 Commandments does it say “Thou shalt not molest 14 year-old girls”

          • Paul Dillon
            Paul Dillon says:

            But it does say love your neighbor. Id like to point out the hollywood/DC hypocrisy here.

            I bet you didnt wring hands over ted kennedy or robert bird.
            Fraud.

          • sikologik
            sikologik says:

            That #metoo campaign was ridiculous. Once it became clear that I had multiple friends posting #metoo who had clearly never been sexually assaulted (hell, some of them had never even been sexually approached!!), it lost all credibility and therefore, all meaning.

          • The Demon Slick
            The Demon Slick says:

            It’s a vicous Lie designed by dishonest political operatives to be impossible to prove either way. They’re desperate to prevent a conservative who isn’t corrupt from winning the seat. Just like they staged a meeting between the Trump campaign and the Russian lawyer, with Obama clearing her visa, so they could cook this whole collusion nonsense up.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            The 16 women who publicly accused Donald Trump have not vanished, as you state.
            Simply because.., LOL.., they have not informed “you” of their respective present address, that is not to be logically, intellectually, common sensibly, interpreted and then publicly articulated as having “vanished” – LMFAO!

            Donald Trumps accusers can easily be located by the Investigators, working for the attorneys, representing the most powerful man in the world, after Putin of course.
            Those very same crack Investigators employed to track down Obama’s real Kenyan Birth Certificate, then the 16 accusers can be subpoenaed to appear in the long awaited Civil Libel Trial, publicly promised by Ray Moore’s protege, Donald Trump.

            Oh.., and BTW:
            It was newspaper journalists that found and revealed most of the Catholic Priests doing their respective version of “The Roy Moore” at High School Football games.

            Thanks for the opportunity to humorously reveal core ignorance. Well done!

          • Yoda0060
            Yoda0060 says:

            Danny – Okay. So tell us the names of these 16 women and their PUBLIC allegations of Trump’s supposed sexual abuse. After all, if their stories are in fact valid, then there shouldn’t be a problem for them to further elaborate on them – publicly or otherwise. RIGHT?

          • TooTall7
            TooTall7 says:

            I think you posted the wrong guy. I’m laughing at senor Alts post. It really doesn’t get more humorous than one of “Danny’s” rants.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Are you not able to research their names yourself, using “Google” and specifically referencing “sexual allegations, against Donald Trump”, which were publicly and specifically elaborated on in the summer of 2016, just days after the “Access Hollywood” tapes were released. Given you obvious level of intellect, that tip should make it easy for you to conduct your curiously desired quest for the Trump Sexual Assault Victims Names. You must have missed the various televised interviews of the victims at the time.
            And.., I clearly see you are an expert in the knowledge of the manifestations of traumatic emotions typically experienced by victims of sexual assaults.

            That became abundantly obvious when you definitively and empathetically stated:

            “After all, if their stories are in fact valid, then there shouldn’t be a problem for them to further elaborate on them – publicly or otherwise. RIGHT?”

            All righty then, we’re done here !

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Your poorly punctuated and not intellectually articulated question begs an obvious three (3) questions to help clarify your curious point (s):

            What has Romney to do with my specific rebuttal to the notion “Trump’s accusers” have “vanished”, as falsely asserted by “Mcbain”, and adequately refuted by me (carefully read my above post).., in conjunction with “ecbains” assertion being refuted in very recent press accounts of a pending lawsuit to be lodged against Trump, by his so called “vanished” accusers ?

            What parade are you referring to, The Thanksgivings Day Parade ?

            And finally..,when you, parrot an adolescent style response to something you can not unpack and specifically counter.., and [instead] intellectually utter “you are full of it”.., can I assume you are referring to my being “full of it” – “it” being “facts” ?

            Thanks I enjoyed this!

          • Pepper
            Pepper says:

            So, you are a Never Trumper with a grammar fetish.
            Let me guess a retired English teacher.
            ——————————————————–
            I read your screed on tribalism and justice. One thing was odd. Did you really think the impeachment was over Monica? If so, you may wonder why comprehension is so important as you have lauded in your invective.

            I fear you are also misunderstanding the recent Mueller indictments as related to Russian collusion as well.

            So sad.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Yes, I am a proud “Never Trumper”, putting me on the “right” side of history.
            Yes, having written many investigative and arrest reports, subject to a defense attorney’s witness stand scrutiny, accordingly I work on my grammar in a fetish fashion.
            No, I am not a retired English Teacher, but your guess reveals much about your quick trigger assumptions, deductive skills and inferiorities.
            No, I believe Clinton was impeached and temporarily disbarred for Perjury.
            Yes, I believe the recent Mueller Indictments has much to do with conducting a proficient investigation into Russia’s interference in our election process, you might call it Investigation 101.
            Yes, It is sad to have a con man in the presidency with 34% of our population not knowing it..

          • EmeraldAl
            EmeraldAl says:

            You seem more stable than most liberals. Not a high bar but still might be able to answer a question. Why is it wrong for Trump to be six degrees from Putin but not wrong when Hillary has directly benefited from Putin cash and had her team generate the dossier smear with Russian help? A dossier that was then used as an excuse for a democrat administration to spy on private citizens.

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            Karen says:

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            Kim says:

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          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Your first unsubstantiated assumption is wrong, yet, quite revealing.
            In-fact.., I’m your worst nightmare. I’m a Conservative, recently withdrawing from the Republican Party.., and I firmly believe Donald Trump is manifestly pathological in a variety of psychological ways, making him unfit for Presidential Office.

            Having said that, my stated opinion of Donald Trump and my longtime view that Hillary Clinton is a Career Un-Indicted Criminal, are certainly beliefs “not” Mutually Exclusive to each other.

            Thereby..,making your dubious question.., regarding Hillary’s alleged culpability.., as it comparitively relates to Trump’s alleged culpability, simply irrelevant and a mere convenient deflection from Donald Trump’s obvious flaws.

            Your 2nd expressed false assumption, regarding Trump being six degrees from Putin, is contradicted by the evidence known to the public to date. For example.., this afternoon’s reported Wikileaks colaborating e-mails with Donnie Jr. during the campaign.

            Yet.., not affecting my already poor view of Hillary are the unproven and unsubstantiated accusations you and others (Trumpets only) make regarding her benefiting from “Putin cash”, or the unclear (at this time) validity of some, none, or all, of the so called “Dossier’s” revelations.

            And finally.., regarding your 3rd false assumption..,I have seen no evidence, nor have you, that any FISA warrants sought by the FBI.., or granted by The FISA Court.., were sought and/or granted “solely” on the basis of a [still] unsubstantiated so called “Dossier” – an action in direct contrast to common professional practice.

            If that [in-fact] occurred.., every criminal case brought to court will be immediately thrown out of court as required by law. A fact known to Criminal Investigators, while seemingly unknown to you.

            My decades long experience with Law Enforcement around our country, particularly The FBI, tells me that is not a practice employed by professionals – The Honorary Robert Mueller III being the epitome of integrity and professionalism in the field of conducting investigations.

            Thanks for giving me the pleasure of answering questions formulated by mere assumptions.

          • EmeraldAl
            EmeraldAl says:

            Apparently my “worst nightmare” is a self-important bloviating gas bag. Not exactly Wes Craven material.

          • Greg0294
            Greg0294 says:

            Putting in that little thing about Putin..makes you an idiot..so anything else you stated..was a waste of my time..thanks for playing..

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            My post was “not” intended for the likes of you. It was meant for one with more than a two digit IQ score and [merely] a reasonable ability to specifically argue the merits of his/her point of view – in writing.., while refuting the specifics of the opposing point of view – once again, in writing.
            So.., you see.., the waste of time was all your fault, not mine. You would be equally at fault.., if when strolling through Washington Square Park in NYC on a nice Spring Day, upon eying the resident (skilled) Chess Players, you.., knowingly armed only with the skills of an 8th grade checker player, nevertheless you chose to sit down and engage in the game of brains.
            That would be a waste of your time as well. LMFAO !
            Anyway.., all is not lost.., you will know better in the future.., stay away for games of intellect.., and as for me.., I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks for the opportunity.

          • Greg0294
            Greg0294 says:

            WELL WELL…little snowflake…my post was meant for you…and it worked…you melted…RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA…this has been your liberal mantra since the 1960’s…the only thing that has changed…as of only 1 year ago is that now..you libtards now think RUSSIA is baaaaaddddd…Libtards…go figure…

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            If your illiterately written post was meant to engage with a “libtard”, as you childishly state, you inadvertently bumped into a Conservative, newly former registered Republican.
            A Republican Party trend you may want to pay more attention to.
            Any way.., you confirmed my original contention that you are simply bumbling idiot. LMFAO!
            You are the gift that keeps on giving, thanks again. So f##kin funny!

          • Greg0294
            Greg0294 says:

            LOL..I will go with my first thought..You are a typical LIBTARD with a very acute case of TDS….Words of advice to you…Don’t own a gun..and don’t jump..

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Very funny, you certainly don’t disappoint this Conservative.

            A simple rule of thumb:
            You can call an apple an orange, but that does not make it an orange.

            But.., do continue to go with your so called “first thought” – if that’s what you call it – LMFAO !

            Regarding your ironic, while ignorant “advice”, to wit “Don’t own a gun”.., I was given the “authority” to carry “concealed” firearms from 1973 to 2016.., and thanks to H.R. 218, passed by Congress in 2004, that authority continues today.

          • mcbain
            mcbain says:

            “Civil Libel Trial”….Now you know what the incentive is for people to make false claims of sexual harassment. The same people who ask “Why would she make something like that up?” had no problem impugning the motives of the women who came forward on Bill Clinton.

          • Jim Croft
            Jim Croft says:

            This whole system of threatening to vilify men by threatening to sue as a way to make $$ seems wrong. What if I killed your sister and would pay u not to charge me.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            As it specifically relates to Trump, Moore and Bill Clinton accusers only, I’m not clear “what the incentive” was for those women to come forward, and subject themselves to the expected scrutiny, particularly from those supporting their respective – sexual perp – “Tribal Chief”.
            Unlike you, I can not see a definitive “incentive” in those cases.

            However, those Liberals defending Bill Clinton, despite “numerous credible” sexual allegations, in the 90’s, have more in common with those “so called” Conservatives defending Trump and Moore, despite “numerous credible” allegations publicly lodged in 2016 and today, respectively.

            Both political opposing tribes are willing to ignore the obvious moral flaws in their respective Tribal Chief.
            Both tribes display severe “hypocrisy” by complaining of the other tribes severe “hypocrisy”, as you have done, while ignoring their own “hypocrisy” – as you have done.
            To wit.., the “hypocrisy” in “only” recognizing the credible merits associated with the accusations lodged against the opposition Tribal Chief, while ignoring the similarly credible accusations lodged against their own Tribal Chief. Both sides argue the allegations are decades old, politically motivated, a he said-she said, and to be ignored.

            Unlike you and your tribe, unlike the other, “Lib”, tribe, despite political affiliations or affinity, I remain consistent in my assessment of seemingly credible sexual accusations made by numerous women against one man.
            I believed Anita Broderick and all the other Bill Clinton accusers..,
            I believed the “Trump 20”..,
            and I believe the Moore accusers. Objectively, all are [equally] credible.

            For reasons directly related to a specific Oval Office sexual allegation between a 49-year-old President and a 22-year-old Intern, and the resulting perjury, I.., a registered Republican at the time, enthusiastically supported the Bill Clinton Impeachment effort.
            Yet.., those seemingly on my side of that issue, take a different view when it is their beloved Tribal Chief on the wrong side of the credible accusatory finger. The larger number of accusers to be ignored, the greater disparity in age to be ignored.

            And that It is the epitome of “Conformational Bias” and severe “Hypocrisy” – period!

          • Pepper
            Pepper says:

            In summary, you do not believe in either due process or innocent till proven guilty.
            Every dog has his day, but this one has has no teeth.
            The MSM has turned social justice into a suitable replacement for actual justice. It must be annoying to need to look for allegations older than the reporters to invoke the necessary social justice on those with whom they disagree.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            I do believe in due process in all legal matters. I have spent decades professionally supporting due process in legal matters, to include abiding by the notion that while inside the court room, while participating in the due process, the defendant is to be treated as innocent – until proven guilty.
            However, if I have suspicion that my neighbor is a pedophile, and I have a young daughter, I do not treat that neighbor the same way I would treat other neighbors. My daughter would be permitted to enter my neighbors homes, but not the home of the “suspected”, not convicted, pedophile.
            The law doesn’t prohibit us from using our own judgment in matters outside the court room, to include the personal judgement employed to select members of either House of Congress. Your contention that I should treat Roy Moore as innocent, until he is proven guilty in a court of law, is simply silly.
            But, do feel free to allow your daughter to go on a date with him, since he hasn’t been given due process and proven guilty in a court of law, obligating you to treat him as innocent. To f##kin funny!
            And it is not the MSM that is accusing Roy Moore it is three (3) women. So, attacking the MSM in this matter is an irrelevant gesture, possibly designed to deflect.

          • AndRebecca
            AndRebecca says:

            You are one left-wing-nut. When did kissing become sexual abuse, or touching a girl’s hair sexual abuse? The world has gone mad.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Nope.., I’m actually a “real” Conservative, not a bastardized Trump version, and I recently withdrew my Republican registration. In addition.., I’m more than familiar and quite expereienced with Sex Crimes Laws.
            There are presently two (2) women who have publicly articulated specific acts of “Sexual Misconduct” having been similarly perpetrated on each/both of them, by Mr. Moore.
            So.., your reference to “kissing and “touching a girl’s hair” is more than confusing.
            Defending anyone credibly accused.., and one subsequently admitting to not dating minors without first getting permission from their parents, is proof, as you say, “the world has gone mad”.

          • AndRebecca
            AndRebecca says:

            I read this bull out of you trolls continually. I think you are so in to your delusion, you could pass a polygraph. All I’ve heard so far out of the accusers have been non-abuse moves which can’t be verified by anyone. If any of the girls went on dates with Moore for real, it wouldn’t be strange to be kissed on a date! This isn’t Pakistan. There is no crime in dating a minor. The crime is statutory rape, and no one has claimed

          • Pepper
            Pepper says:

            You argument is specious. He is either able to be adjudicated or their is no criminal path.

            Regarding the neighbor analogy and personal judgement.that is not germane to a legal principle, or parents would be permitted to mete out sentencing in crimes against family.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Wow.., it took several of your posts for me to finally realize the very distinct likelihood, I am actually engaged in discourse with an individual who lacks [even] a mediocre level of English reading comprehension/interpretation skills, complicated by poor English articulation skills, ever so enhanced with poor English grammatical skills..,
            or..,
            you are giving it your best shot from your cold work desk at 55 Savushkina Street in St Petersburg Russia.

            Either way.., we’re done here !

          • Pepper
            Pepper says:

            We are done because you are pompous and admit that you will judge someone and not require due process.

            I hope you are neither in law enforcement, nor a code enforcer as you have a bias against our system of justice. You must be a drone of some type.

            Good day from good old CONUS,

          • Alexis Sarkasia
            Alexis Sarkasia says:

            If you did not have ta brain the size of a walnut you would have recognized that “vanished” indicates the women after gratuitously stepping into the media limelight with wild accusations, then just as quickly stepped out of the limelight to be no longer heard of again.

            Oh.., and BTW
            Comparing Catholic Churches conspiracy to hide pedophiles with this Roy Moore incident wins the stupid of the year award.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            You know what is really stupid.., you not reading enough of current events to know “Trump Accusers” are presently being heard from again, as recently as 14 to 30 days ago.
            They are [in-fact] lodging a slander suit against Trump – which he is trying to stop from procceding.
            You know what else is really stupid.., the inability to recognize and cognitively digest the curious absence of the Trump initiated promised “Civil Suit”, alleging slander against “The 20”.
            Ha, ha, ha.., “walnut size brain”.., indeed!
            You know what else is stupid, your adolescent style assertion..,
            that an opposing view,
            specifically comparing the Catholic Church sex scandal to Roy Moore’s present sex scandal,
            “wins the stupid of the year award”..,
            without intellectually and comprehensively articulating why they are definitively not similar..,
            and how the opposing argument, that they are similar, warrants such a childishly conceived award.
            Let me guess.., you work with your hands. LMFAO !
            Thanks for giving this “walnut sized” brain the opportunity to feel like a “Grapefruit size” brain, because Mr. Magoo we all know:
            “In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king”
            LMFAO.., again!

          • The Demon Slick
            The Demon Slick says:

            You have to be super dumb to allow yourself to be manipulated in such a manner. You need to learn how to think critically. Take Trump for instance. A billionaire. A prime target for lawsuits. Yet nobody ever claimed he did anything until he ran for President. Does that seem likely? None of them ever sued, despite Trumps deep pockets, and despite having a top lawyer like Gloria Allred. Does that seem likely to You? All of them vanished. Despite your attempt at hyper literalizing my use of a common figure of speech, they’re gone from the public eye. Does that make sense? You know I’m right, you’re just being deliberately obtuse and intellectually dishonest. I would cut you some slack for being stupid, but not for being a Liar.

          • Bill
            Bill says:

            It’s am oxymoron to associate “Washington Post” and the word “credibility.” One WaPo reporter on the story (McCrummen) was prosecuted in North Carolina for fraud for trying to pass a fake check off as real, and also was the author of a discredited October 2015 smear piece against Gov. Rick Perry. And the other (Beth Reinhard), in the course of her “investigation,” offered $1000 to an Alabama woman to smear Judge Moore. The Etowaw County woman had the presence of mind to discretely take a photo of the reporter and tape the conversation on her cell phone. She reported it to the local District Attorney, who sent a Marshall out to take the cell phone into custody.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            The credible source to which I refer are the “credible accusers”, not some of the news reporters associated with printing the articles. Unlike you.., I know and can fairly evaluate the nuances and differences between the two, just as I was able to separate Bill Clinton accusers from some of the writers, some, similarly of dubious character, reporting those allegations in the 90’s.
            There too.., I separated the writers from the accusers and I believed the accusers.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            As one who wants both Houses of Congress to flip in 2018, a Roy Moore win next month would be greatly aid that effort. From your lips to God’s ears.

          • Keyser Soze
            Keyser Soze says:

            well at least your honest, which is more than I can say for the RINO Republicans. As long as we’re being honest let me you question, and no its not a trick question. Who do you think knows Judge Moore best, those of us who live here in Alabama, or a bunch of outsiders who have probably never even driven through our state?

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            It is my view, having professional experience in such matters, as a general matter those persons closest to an individual will likely know him better than “outsiders” would.

            However.., in matters of sexual liaisons, and most particularly in cases of sexual deviancy, such as a proclivity toward sexual assaults, very few really people know that individual’s dark side.

            In fact.., quite often, those closest to the individual are blinded by the natural emotions typically garnered and accumulated over a period of years of that closer relationship.., and when accusations are made, they, those closest to said individual, are generally the last to accept the notion of said individual having such a “dark side”, without their knowing all along.

            Regarding the specific matter of who really knows Roy Moore, this outsider does not know him
            Yet.., I have no reason to doubt the very credible accusations lodged by his accusers, particularly the alleged victim who came forward yesterday.., and I have never been to the beautiful state of Alabama.

            Nevertheless sir, Alabama should elect the individual they desire to represent them. That action will speak volumes for Alabaman’s moral and/or political priorities.

          • Keyser Soze
            Keyser Soze says:

            The People in Alabama are the only ones who have the right to pick their elected officials, not a bunch of Swamp Rats in Washington DC.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            I don’t disagree and have not disagred. In fact, that notion is my closing statement in my previous response to you.

          • Keyser Soze
            Keyser Soze says:

            I know, I didn’t mean that as a knock towards you, I was just saying people who don’t live here in Alabama, like McConell, the WAPO, and Gloria Alred, need to STFU and butt out of our business.

        • tcmh
          tcmh says:

          That will simply make Alabama even more backward, even more contemptible, even more embarrassing to this nation, and it won’t at all be unexpected for such a loathsome state.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            Let’s see.

            Obama. Honest. Earnest. Peacemaker. Respected by his cabinet and staff. Faithful and steadfast in his love to his wife.

            Trump. Narcissist. Pathological liar. Bully. Self-confessed sexual assaulter. Cabinet and staff in shambles and under investigation by the FBI and DOJ.

            You people are so delusional.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            I’m not on here to defend Clinton. Only to point out that Trump and Moore are birds of a feather – an embarrassment to our country and to humanity in general.

          • josh_bornstein
            josh_bornstein says:

            Oh come on. What’s a little sexual assault and/or child molestation between friends? Far better to have a Republican child abuser in Congress than a Democrat who earned his bones by prosecuting KKK members who murdered children in churches. After all, now that Moore has denied the child molestation AND admitted to dating 17 and 18 year olds while he was in his 30s . . . move along now! Nothing to see here. Some might think people from Alabama would shy away from our reputation as sexual perverts and country bumpkins. Nope, we embrace that reputation. And we’ll vote for a sexual deviant–unless he’s a Democrat, of course!!!

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            Uh, huh. You mean like Dems who staunchly supported known rapist, serial sexual assault and harasser Bill Clinton for his entire career and right up to the present day? And who utterly lionized Kennedy, who’d left a woman to drown in his car and proceeded to have a long career of assaulting women?

          • josh_bornstein
            josh_bornstein says:

            Rational
            1. Well, the Democrats I know were saying, “Bill, what you did was repulsive. But I don’t think you should be impeached/convicted for sex with an adult or for lying about it.” Bill Clinton is an accused rapist, rather than a known rapist. (I tend to think that there’s enough evidence of sexual assault to convince me. But as a lawyer, it’s important to use the correct words.) I am 100% certain that he WAS a sexual harasser, at the very least.
            2. I suspect that 90% of active Republicans and Democrats today were not alive (or, at least, not of age) when Kennedy did his horrific, cowardly, and shameful acts at Chappaquiddick). I’m not aware of later accusations of him sexually assaulting women, although he of course was widely known to have a Trump-like disdain for honoring his marriage vows of fidelity.

            In other words, I know lots of Dems who have the integrity to politically support someone AND also loudly criticize that same person.

            Why are conservative posters here having such difficulty showing that same integrity? Why not say, “I like Donald Trump and his policies. But it really bothered me when he bragged about grabbing women by the pussies. I like Judge Moore. But it really concerns me that a woman claims he molested her when she was 14 and she told people about it at the time. And it bothers me that he was dating teenagers when he was in his 30s.”??? Why on earth do we not see more comments like this from conservatives here?

            Do people really think that others will say, “Wow, you’re coming out strongly against sex abuse. That means you’re not a real Republican!”? God, I hope not.

            [Disclaimer. I financially supported only 2 people in the last election cycle: Trump and Ted Cruz. And I voted for Trump in my state primary. And, somehow, I am still able to be repulsed by Trump’s assaults and by the accusations against Molestin’ Moore.]

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            A boatload of Dems (both that I know and even more in online articles and comments) contended over and over that there was no problem because it was “just consensual sex between two adults.” Never mind that she was an unpaid intern and he was the most powerful man in the world and her boss, not to mention more than twice her age. Never mind that he didn’t just lie about it to the entire nation, but perjured himself in court trying to get out of culpability for sexually assaulting another woman. Never mind that he was the top officer of our entire judicial system and he was trying to totally block a citizen’s right to due process and subvert the rule of law, all for his own personal benefit. Never mind that being so desperate to cover it up made him a serious national security risk (blackmail – and this would get anyone’s security clearance pulled in a heartbeat). Never mind the illegal use of taxpayer funds trying to shut her up by giving her paying jobs in the government that she wasn’t even qualified for.

            They didn’t care less about the actual facts – it was all tossed off as ‘nothing to see here, move along!’ and a ‘Republican witch hunt over nothing.’

            It’s true of course, however, that Clinton was never convicted of rape. Just accused of it several times.

            Kennedy has been accused not only of sexual harassment, but also sexual assault: Ted Kennedy: The Senator of Sleaze who was a drunk sexual bully… and left a young woman to die

            I think your estimate that 90% of active Dems/Repubs weren’t alive/of age when Chappaquiddick occurred is too high – it was 1969, and active/voting people tend to be older rather than younger. But I’ve no idea what the actual number is. Even so, it doesn’t excuse all the support he got or not knowing about that utterly vile act.

            “In other words, I know lots of Dems who have the integrity to
            politically support someone AND also loudly criticize that same person.”

            I’m sorry, but how is there possibly even a shred of “integrity” involved in supporting known rapists/murderers/sexual assault/sexual harassment?? How about they support someone who does NOT have such well known actions to their name? THAT would be displaying some integrity. Supporting such people politically but criticizing them for such egregious behavior seems a prime example of hypocrisy to me, not integrity. Granted, it’s even worse to support such people and not criticize them, but that certainly doesn’t make those who support but criticize even remotely have integrity.

            “Why are conservative posters here having such difficulty showing that same integrity?”

            Ok, now that’s an utterly pathetic claim. Either you’re wearing willful partisan blinders, or you’re just lying. REAMS of Republicans/conservatives have very loudly castigated Trump for his flaws and crass behavior, even while supporting him because of his policies and campaign promises. Others go even further into outright “never Trump” positions. I sure never heard of a “never Clinton” movement in the Dems/liberals/progressives/socialists when it came to Hillary’s thousands of slam dunk felonies, Bill’s egregious womanizing and worse, etc.

            “But it really concerns me that a woman claims he molested her when she was 14 and she told people about it at the time.”

            Yeah, it concerns me and a lot of other conservatives/Repubs too – but many of us believe strongly in the rule of law and innocent until proven guilty. At this point, it’s a highly questionable he said/she said. Oh, and for all your “careful to be accurate” with claims above, why are you just blindly assuming that she actually DID tell anyone back then? For all you know, that’s a lie also. Maybe it’s not, maybe it is – the point is, you have NO way of knowing. The timing of these claims is highly suspicious – as is the fact that at least one of the accusers worked for Hillary Clinton and is a Dem activist.

            Since you mention who you supported, I’ll do the same. In the primaries it was the only fiscal and Constitutional conservative – Cruz. In fact I pushed back hard against Trump by posting all sorts of negative factual information about him. In the presidential election, however, I’d have supported a dead dog or bit of slime mold over Hillary “Felonie von Mao-suit” Clinton any day. And now I post positive things about Trump where he deserves it, negative where he deserve it, and certainly also defend him against clearly false claims too.

          • Pepper
            Pepper says:

            Interesting, you left out why now?
            You also left out due process and motivation.
            This is why people are incredulous at the assertion now.
            Forty years is a long time and the motive to allege this is mainly a politically expedient attack.

            How does this benefit the alleged victim?
            Was some form of enticement made by a reporter, or was the testimony and recollection coerced?

            Maybe, the hypocrisy is not in the derision you expect, but in the believing this was to help an alleged victim and not harm a political race which is not establishment approved? Clearly the Washington Post is not truly an arbiter of justice unless it is their political justice. The accusation is not purely driven by an even slightly credible published source..

          • track
            track says:

            Dumb sh*t. Now you’re saying you support a pedo? Your post sounded like you were against sexual assault. I guess it’s fine as long as it’s an R who does it. What a fuc*ing cretin.

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            You’re doing a fine job of proving you’re the cretin. Prove he’s a pedo. Oh, gee, that’s right, you can’t. Not even remotely. But hey, why should you care about facts, the rule of law, innocent until proven guilty, due process, our Constitution, or anything like that? Nope, for you, you’re happy with mob rule witch hunts, knee jerk assumptions, and utterly infantile cursing and name calling. Grow up already and get a clue.

          • track
            track says:

            I can’t prove that you’re a douc*e bag, but it’s readily apparent to anyone who reads your post. Innocent until proven guilty is a concept for a court of law, not the court of public opinion. Otherwise you’d continue to be wondering how Sen. Larry Craig might vote on an issue. You’re a pedo apologist and doing it for nothing more than craven politics. Spare me your phony moralizing.

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            Innocent until proven guilty isn’t even remotely just for a court of law. It’s a concept that anyone with a brain understands – it’s the difference between witch hunts and turning innocent people into the SS for their slaughter versus having a civil society that doesn’t fall for false knee jerk assumptions. And for you to proclaim that I’m somehow a “pedo apologist” is the height of stupidity. Pedophiles belong in jail for a very very long time – and not a pleasant one. But obviously you couldn’t give a rip about facts, guilt and innocence, or anything other than your little knee jerk assumptions no matter how false. It’s pathetic.

          • track
            track says:

            Face it. You’re a pedo apologist. Plain and simple. You will ignore any sin as long as the sinner has an R next to his name. You’re disgusting.

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            One quick look at your profile and it’s clear you’re nothing more than a pathetic troll who’s not even worth bothering with any further.

          • track
            track says:

            Another lying con. What a surprise! My profile is private, so you don’t know what I post. You fight like a pansy, when you lose you run away. Run away Nancy! Faster!

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            More false accusations from you – I haven’t lied about anything. When someone’s profile is private, and they can’t even manage to average one upvote per comment, and they post utter nonsense along with infantile name calling, as you do, it’s pretty darned clear that you’re a troll. A rather pathetic one at that.

          • track
            track says:

            Wait a minute…You want me to pay attention to someone who is so alone in the world that they have over 44,000 posts on these boards? Jesus man, do you have a life outside of the net? Can an obvious shut-in like yourself put down the Cheetos and actually make a difference in the world? Nah, you’ll just keep hiding behind the keyboard and telling yourself that you’re making a difference. BTW, thanks for bothering further. You cons make it too easy!

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            You really are an idiot. That’s over YEARS – and it only works out to a few minutes a day on comments. Gee, how horrible! Get a clue already, and stop with the idiotic knee jerk assumptions.

          • track
            track says:

            So easy to trigger! This shut-in pretends that 7,000 comments a year is nothing. Sounds to me like your whole life revolves around getting worthless upvotes from people you don’t even know. As a famous five time draft dodger once said, “sad!”

          • sikologik
            sikologik says:

            Once you separate Clinton & Trump though, any criticism you make against Trump is pointless for probably 80% of his voters, since the vote they cast was in the context of Trump vs. Clinton. Trump could have been as despicable as the WaPo and the NYT wanted everyone to believe, yet even still, he was nowhere near Hillary’s level of putrid filth.

          • sweetmusic
            sweetmusic says:

            The delusion is yours. Obama: had no-growth of the GDP for eight years, traded a traitor, Bergdahl, for the release of five dangerous terrorists, engineered the Benghazi disaster and lied about it, conned Americans with “If you like your plan, you can keep it”, undertook apology tours abroad to our embarrassment, directed corruption and illicit politicization of IRS, FBI, CIA. A terrible president. He made Jimmy Carter look like George Washington. Trump: oversaw 3% plus GDP growth in only 9 months, inspired a booming energy industry, booming stock market, and booming employment, pushed NATO members to finally pay up, got out-of-control illegal immigration down by 70%, put lousy trade deals under the gun, and at last took on the corrupt media, exposing the press as fakes and fools. He may well go down as one of our greatest presidents accordingly.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            See above. Thankfully about 70% of the country now agrees with me and not you delusional morons. Trump’s approval rating is only going down. And after America realizes that he has raped the middle class and our kids and grandkids with this massive tax cut for corporations and the ultra wealthy, maybe even you’ll wake up to reality.

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            You can’t even manage to get basic facts right. Trump’s current average job approval rating is at 39%, not 30%. What’s more, that figure doesn’t even remotely support your claim that “70% of the country now agrees with me” – all it reflects is their view of his personality, not his performance. In fact, when polled on his policies and actions, a far higher number support his positions.

            The same was true of Obama – a large number liked Obama personally, but thought his policies and actions were utterly dismal. So his “approval rating” was far higher than that of polls about his actual actions and policies.

            Also, hate to break it to you, my dear, but our corporate tax rate is currently the highest in the world. ALL that does is drive corporations to move their corporate headquarters out of the USA, taking their capital and jobs with them, and pass the taxes they still owe along to their customers – all of which hurts America, and every segment of the population across the board, including the poor who can least afford it, and the middle class too. What’s more, historically every time there’s a large tax cut, it boosts our economy and within just a few years the government takes in record high revenues. In other words, it benefits EVERYONE. Perhaps if you actually learned some basic economics and history you’d understand these well known facts.

          • sweetmusic
            sweetmusic says:

            Polls of non-voters mean nothing when they are measured by liberals with a hate-Trump agenda. Only likely voter polls matter–and they favor Trump in all the states he won in 2016. Besides, your talking points make no real sense. You can’t have high corporate rate taxes and still expect their jobs to stay in America. The high rate is why Democrats fueled outsourcing and lost the Rust Belt. Lowering rates is just common sense. Lower the rate and jobs will return and ordinary Americans will prosper. Trump voters know this. Marxist Democrats don’t.

          • Pepper
            Pepper says:

            “Thankfully about 70% of the country now agrees with me”
            No, you can say you have a similar opinion as they most likely do not know you , nor care if you share their opinion. Yet, you may also believe the sun revolves around your world, or does it. Lets take a poll.

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            Boy, whatever you’re taking is some very powerful stuff – you’ve fallen down the rabbit hole and are speaking to us from Wonderland. Obama was an utter disgrace as president – grossly corrupt, couldn’t open his mouth without lying or making false statements, horrifically narcissistic and thin skinned (Trump’s got those two things in common with Obama, except Obama is even worse than Trump).

            Obama totally corrupted every single cabinet level department from the very top and weaponized them against his political opponents and the American citizen. Scandal after scandal – Benghazi, Gunwalker/Fast & Furious, IRS & other depts. targeting conservatives, massive NSA illegal surveillance on American citizens and using that information against his political opponents, multiple Cabinet heads perjuring themselves to Congress, his Attorney General guilty of Contempt of Congress for over 3 years, not one single year with a GDP of 3% or higher (a record), blatantly interfering in local law enforcement, his Secretary of State guilty of literally thousands of felonies for mishandling national security documents and obstructing justice, his other AG having a grossly unethical and possibly illegal meeting with the subject of and husband of another subject of an ongoing criminal investigation, the utter disaster of Obamacare, $20 trillion in federal debt (added more debt than all presidents prior to him combined), made a laughing stock of the United States world wide, cozied up to our enemies and alienated our allies, the Iran nuclear deal and all the dirty secret deals he cut with them while lying to America and the world, illegally paying off Iran to ransom our citizens while lying about it to the nation and world, , inviting an ILLEGAL alien to be guest of honor at the State of the Union address, multiple constitutional violations overturned by the Supreme Court (often unanimously, and more times than ANY prior president), making excuses for his top appointee’s major Hatch Act violations rather than firing them (at least Sebelius, Hilda Solis, Ken Salazar), condoning Hillary’s illegal private server when she was his Sect. of State (then lying his behind off about it), his refusal to release his birth certificate for years or explain his fake social security number, lying to every citizen and the world virtually every time he opened his mouth, saying all citizens who dislike him are racists – and bitter bigoted bible and gun clingers, insinuating himself into local law investigations where he had ZERO business and his statements were grossly improper, telling Russia secretly that after the election he’d “have more flexibility” to negotiate on missiles (caught on hot mic), laying down a “red line” for the world then refusing to act on it when it was clearly crossed, and on and on and on. The list is nearly endless.

            But you’re so grossly deluded or blatantly dishonest that you’ve sainted this utter disgrace of a former president. It’s beyond pathetic.

            Barack Obama, Ex-Narcissist-in-Chief

            Can’t spell:

            OBAMA Misspells RESPECT Honoring Aretha

            Team Romney calls out Obama for misspelling ‘Ohio’ at campaign stop

            Can’t pitch:

            Grossly high and wide, while wearing wrong baseball team’s cap: Obama’s 2010 First Pitch vs. Bush’s 2001 First Pitch youtube.com/watch?v=GcSIwBWiPoU&feature=related

            Bounces ball before the plate while wearing “mom jeans”: Man vs child or Bush vs Obama First Ceremonial Pitch youtube.com/watch?v=WwXh9J8WLqI

            Can’t play basketball, throws 20 bricks out of 22 consecutive tries: weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-2-22-easter-egg-roll_712276.html

            Can’t bowl, but can insult special Olympics: youtube.com/watch?v=_E-EdGul8nI

            Rides a woman’s bike: bush vs obama bikes; youtube.com/watch?v=kkm-cXMFOro

            Can’t shoot skeet (note he’s shooting horizontally, not at approx 45 degree angle necessary for skeet – and he’s got the rifle pressed up hard against his cheek – recoil doesn’t feel too good that way!): graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/02/03/us/politics/03skeet_image2/03skeet_image2-articleLarge.jpg

            Can’t life weights any better than a little kid:

            GQ, with leaked video of Obama’s geeky wimpy workout – devastating! Does President Obama Even Lift? Yes…Just Not Very Well

            Can’t speak without a teleprompter:“What they’ll say is, ‘Well it costs too much money,’ but you know what? It would cost, about… It…it, would cost about the same… as what we would spend. It… Over the course of 10 years, it would cost what it would costs us. All right. Okay. We’re going to do it. It would cost us about the same as it would cost for about… hold on one second. I can’t hear myself. [there wasn’t much audience noise, however] But I’m glad you’re fired up, though. I’m glad.”[54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU I’m inspired, aren’t you? /sarc

            He’s got flipping people off on national television down to an art, however:

            Obama Flips off Hillary at Raleigh, NC campaign speech – crowd very noticably both boos and cheers – and Obama can’t help but grin.
            Obama Flips Off McCain during speech in Jacksonville Florida.
            Obama flips the bird to audience 8-28-13
            Obama Flips Off Mitt Romney in New Hampshire. Crowd cheers.
            Obama Flips the Bird to Republicans while speaking at House Republican Retreat in Baltimore.
            Obama Flips Off NBC Reporter in Israel

            And he’s got the narcissism down pat (and this is a very abbreviated list of only a few of his narcissistic pronouncements and actions):

            Inserted himself into official government website biographies of almost all past presidents tinyurl.com/9ysrjra

            Likens himself to Gandhi and Nelson Mandela

            Compares Himself To Ronald Reagan

            Inserted himself into official government ‘Fact Sheets’ about other nations. This is unprecedented, and nation Fact Sheets are supposed to be directly and only about factual information regarding the specific nation.

            Created version of American Flag with stars replaced by the “O” Obama campaign logo, and sold for $35 on campaign website. tinyurl.com/8p9hcty Then deleted the Obamerican flag from a campaign tweet after complaints were received, but continued selling it from the campaign website.

            When we lost Neil Armstrong, first man to walk on the moon 8/24/2012, as a tribute to Neil Armstrong, Obama posts a photo of himself taken several months before. tinyurl.com/8nvzqeh The Ego Has Landed. Irony: The man who gutted the space program and directed NASA to implement a new mission; to improve Muslim relations, posted a picture of himself under a crescent moon in tribute to the first man to walk on the moon…

            Similarly, Barack Obama Marks Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day With A Picture Of . . . Barack Obama…

            Barack Obama Wishes National Park Service A Happy 100th Birthday With A Picture Of . . . Barack Obama…

            Thinks the way the nation should celebrate Easter is by viewing a photo of the Obama family.

            President Obama honors Rosa Parks Anniversary with… a photo of himself

            Even once out of office he just can’t help himself – publicly celebrates diversity with…. you got it, a photo of himself. At least the babies in the window were cute, but not so much the big one standing outside looking in at them.

            Used fake Presidential Seal during his pre-presidency campaign

            Said he’s the 4th greatest President of all time

            “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters,” Mr. Obama told Patrick Gaspard, his political director, at the start of the 2008 campaign, according to The New Yorker. “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m going to think I’m a better political director than my political director.”

            He has mentioned more than once that he cooks “a really mean chili.”

            He has impressive musical pitch, he told an Iowa audience.

            He said he is “a surprisingly good pool player, so if you ever see me in a pool hall, don’t just think that you can, uh,..” [interviewer inserted “don’t walk up and throw money down”] “that’s exactly what I’m sayin, cause, I might end up cleaning your clock.” he informed an interviewer — not to mention (though he does) a doodler of unusual skill…When he reads a book to children, he starts out by telling them he’s going to do “the best rendition ever.” He constantly talks about being the best.

            Further, Washington Democrats say he is all too eager to offer unsolicited advice — on handshakes, writing, and parenting, among other topics. At one of his farewell meetings for White House interns, Mr. Obama dispensed some life advice. “When you all have kids, it’s important to let them win,” he said with a smile. “Until they’re a year old. Then start winning.” So he competes against infants?!

            At the 2004 Democratic convention—Mr. Obama explained to a Chicago Tribune reporter that “I’m LeBron, baby. I can play at this level. I got game.”

            Pictures himself as a member of “some of the best basketball players on earth. ”

            With a group of basketball legends sitting nearby, Obama said: “It’s very rare that I come to an event where I’m like the fifth- or sixth-most interesting person,” Aug. 22, 2012

            For the year 2009 alone, by Sept.: “Obama loves to hear himself talk – about himself. In just 41 speeches so this year, not including this week’s big speech at the United Nations, Obama has talked about himself nearly 1,200 times – 1,198 to be exact. (That breaks down to 1,121 “I”s and just 77 “me”s.)” Imagine, at that rate, how it’s added up over his full two terms….

            As a formal official gift, President Obama and First Lady gave Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth II an ipod uploaded with his speeches, photos of his inauguration, and show tunes, plus photos of her visit to the USA.

            Obama, after being sworn in for his second term, said, “I did it”. weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-i-did-it_696501.html No torches passed to a new generation, no morning in America, just a simple three word speech in the first person singular. Brevity is the soul of nit.. , oh, never mind. Pity all his speeches can’t be so to the point.

            Obama’s formal official gift to Britain’s Prime Minister, who is well known to have vision problems? A set of DVDs of classic movies that most movie buffs would already have, in a format that can’t play on typical European DVD players.

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            Look me up in heaven and let’s compare notes based on a common reality. Obama came into office and bailed us out of GWB’s terrible policies and the absolute collapse of our economy. From there he did nothing but produce economic growth and relative global calm for 8 years. Now we are living in a daily circus…

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            You really are delusional. Bush implemented the first half of TARP is widely credited with ending the recession. In fact the recession ended only 5 months into Obama’s first term, long before any of his policies had any effect. In fact Obama’s entire economic record is utterly dismal – first president EVER to not have a single year of 3% or higher growth rate, longest period EVER recorded of over 7.5% unemployment rate, added $10 trillion in debt, totally destabilized the Middle East and left it in flames, including making all our sacrifices in Iraq almost worthless when Bush had left an Iraq that was relatively stable and well on it’s way to a democratic system. ALL of your claims about Obama are in fact utterly bogus.

          • sweetmusic
            sweetmusic says:

            Wrong. It was Marla, his second wife, who was caught cheating, not Trump. He has never cheated on Melania. Ironically, both ex-wives have nothing but good things to say about him. You need to stop reading fake news sources.

          • Wild_Bird
            Wild_Bird says:

            Everything the anti-American Marxist Barack Hussein touched turned to crap.

            Hussein was the worst president in American history.

            Spare us the drivel. You have beclowned yourself.

          • Sinthrax
            Sinthrax says:

            Nice comeback. You refutted zero of their points and facts. They used known facts and you come here with feelings. Go hang out with Weinstein where you belong.

          • josh_bornstein
            josh_bornstein says:

            Ed,
            You forgot: Trump cheated on every single wife he’s ever had. Obama–not even a whiff of infidelity. And it wasn’t just that Trump confessed to sexual assaulting women . . . he actually bragged about it.

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            Yeah, except the people he knew back in Chicago, who reported that he frequented the most popular gay baths and partook of other men there regularly – while he was married.

            “And it wasn’t just that Trump confessed to sexual assaulting women . . . he actually bragged about it.”

            Never even remotely happened. Little hint – when women consent, it’s not sexual assault. Trump’s crass locker room talk was that they LET HIM because he was wealthy. Not that he ever assaulted anyone. But hey, why let actual facts get in the way of your partisan bigoted Trump Derangement Syndrome?

          • Rational_Db8
            Rational_Db8 says:

            Well, at least women who are open to advances from celebrities anyhow. And yes, clearly there are some women who transgress, although obviously men do so far more commonly when it comes to this arena.

          • sweetmusic
            sweetmusic says:

            It was Marla, his second wife, who was caught cheating, not Trump. He has never cheated on Melania. Ironically, both ex-wives have nothing but good things to say about him. You need to stop reading fake news sources.

          • Insanitea
            Insanitea says:

            You’re a moron – he was cheating on Ivana with Marla. The tabloid headlines were full of that story for ages.

          • sweetmusic
            sweetmusic says:

            Bornstein wrote, “Trump cheated on every single wife he’s ever had.” I correctly pointed out he didn’t cheat on Marla and he didn’t cheat on Melania. Like the fake news people like you consume, you distort the whole issue.

          • ranklez
            ranklez says:

            Obama: hom0s3xual, licker of azzssholes, teen male prostitute, hates the USA. Trump: Successful businessman, patriot, loves his country.

            You are so delusional.

          • BanBait
            BanBait says:

            Honest? HONEST?! Barack “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” Obama? Dude, go back to ActBlue.

          • Gene smiley
            Gene smiley says:

            Honest?
            Obama may go down as one of the most crooked Presidents in American History, EVER. Weaponized IRS, Using Intel Agencies to spy on citizens, threatening and spying on conservative reporters, it goes on and on.

          • Evan
            Evan says:

            “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.”
            “It was a Youtube video.”
            “We mostly negotiated with Iranian moderates.”

            These lies are far more consequential than anything Trump has said. I know you have the intellectual capacity to figure that out, just not the honesty.

          • Molon Labe
            Molon Labe says:

            Ha ha ha ha! What state are you from teenager? You sure employ an unconvincing way of making your juvenile point(s).

          • nathan.m
            nathan.m says:

            It is sad, but this is the typical caricature of the state of Alabama that demagogues like Roy Moore produce. The majorities that Republicans hold in the state are not a true representation of the broader population. Alabama is a diverse state,

            Among the 50 states and the District of Columbia, Alabama ranks:
            32nd in its percentage of Whites
            7th in its percentage of African Americans
            43rd in its percentage of Hispanics
            44th in its percentage of Asians
            26th in its percentage of American Indians
            48th in its percentage of people of Mixed race
            47th in its percentage of males
            5th in its percentage of females

            see article here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Alabama

            As a native Alabamian, I am ashamed to be represented by the reprehensible Roy Moore. The man is an embodiment of all of the worst caricatures of the backward Alabamian. He is hurting Alabama businesses that are competing in the broader national market places and shaming us with every rictus grin. Roy Moore and his ilk must be denounced.

        • 1SamTreadwell1
          1SamTreadwell1 says:

          Hillary absolutely believed that the “Hollywood Access” video would be the final nail in Donald Trump’s coffin. When that did not happen, she absolutely believed that Trump supporters were deplorable.

        • Danny Alt
          Danny Alt says:

          “Roy Moore has been a public figure for over 30 years. Had there been any validity at all to Gibson’s accusations, it would have surfaced and been dealt with long ago”

          Yea, kinda like the “sexual accusation gimmick”, “curiously” delayed for decades, employed against other well known, long time public figures.
          Allegations that clearly “surfaced” and were “dealt with” early on in each of their respective careers.

          Bill Cosby, Dennis Hastert, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and numerous Catholic Priests, Bishops and Cardinals, to name [just] a few.

          Yep.., you are on very solid ground with that proof positive point.., a “rebel spirit” indeed!

          • elephant4life
            elephant4life says:

            Well, then, maybe Moore’s accuser should have thought to fabricate evidence of hush money / quid pro quo / intimidation having been paid/given/perpetrated at some time during the last forty years – which has been the case in many of the others you cite. I’m sure she can get in contact with Obama’s pet artist to create a photocopy of a check or agreement, though.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Hillary Clinton guilt and Roy Moore’s guilt are not “mutually exclusive” notions. Your effort is to deflect.

          • Bill
            Bill says:

            There were complaints about Sandusky, but they were swept under the rug by Penn State.

            Weinstein’s conduct was no secret, in Hollywood he’s only the latest in a long line of sexual abusers….how many young actresses left Tinseltown over the years when the major stdio heads routinely had “casting couches?” That was no surprise or fabrication.

            As for the Catholic Church, the hierarchy has long been infiltrated with homosexuals, who knew of complaints concerned sexual abuses of parish priests, but covered it up. Cardinal O’Connell in Boston had a scandal in the 1920’s when his nephew (a priest) was found to be embezzling church funds and also had a secret marriage with a woman in New York. O’Connell couldn’t defrock or discipline his own nephew because the nephew extorted O’Connell by threatening out “out” O’Connell as a homosexual. Only when complaints circumvented the Archdiocese and went directly to the Vatican with evidence did Pope Benedict step in and O’Connell’s nephew was removed from the clergy by order of the Vatican. (Read “The Faithful Departed” by Phillip Lawler regarding he collapse of the Church in Boston and the causes and consequences of the Catholic clerical sex-abuse scandal there.) This cancer in the Church was very similar in order dioceses. In other situations, some Catholic prelates didn’t know how to handle the abuses, not understanding the nature of sexual abusers and the recidivist rates for repeat of abuses; therapy and Confession / penance were meaningless. Instead of handling the multitudes of claims and internal charges from a secular legal standpoint or criminal prosecution, or even applying Canon Law and turning over investigation and internal prosecution of abusers to diocesan tribunals which had the power to remove and defrock abusive priests, the bishops naively or arrogantly substituted their own judgment in dealing with sexual abuse allegations, and passed off the abusers after ineffective counseling or other slap-on-wrist measures.

            With heinous results, but such was not the same as the blind-siding character assassination tactics the partisan leftist press have employed against Judge Moore.

        • Paul Dillon
          Paul Dillon says:

          They dont have our sense of proportion and priority about issues vs dirt.

          They’re hedonists. Nuf said?

        • GreenShinobiX
          GreenShinobiX says:

          This is poor logic. Dozens of Cosby’s alleged crimes happened decades ago, and have been corroborated by the dozens of other women coming forward with similar stories. He committed rapes in the 70s and wasn’t found out until 2014.

        • Keyser Soze
          Keyser Soze says:

          That’s why on December 12th your going to see Moore win by one of the most lopsided victories in political history.

      • Jim Richardson
        Jim Richardson says:

        This Roy Moore smear job is one of the most incompetent that I have seen in a very long time.

        It’s outright laughable.

    • Ed Turnbull
      Ed Turnbull says:

      Any open-minded, rational person can recognize that WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, and ABC deal in facts using traditional journalistic methods and standards. It is Fox News and all the fact-challenged, conspiracy-obsessed Breitbart-derivative online sites that have veered dramatically right of center over the past decade. Why? Because anger, fear and hatred capture the imagination and views and clicks of the stupid and the bitter. And the American oligarchs are happy to ride this GOP sham at the ballot box (they laugh at you behind closed doors, don’t you know) so that they can enact massive, massive tax cuts for corporations and the ultra rich. It’s THE one piece of legislation they are passing. Not immigration. Not healthcare. Not trade reform. Not abortion or gay marriage. Not infrastructure. Most of you people reading this comment are getting played by Trump, McConnell, and Ryan as a bunch of suckers.

        • Ed Turnbull
          Ed Turnbull says:

          Unless you’re clearing over $1M a year DriveBy, your Republican congress is about to rape you and your kids and grandkids on behalf of corporations and the ultra wealthy. But keep voting for them because they really are against immigrants and gay marriage. No, really, they are. No, really.

      • Andrew Dixon
        Andrew Dixon says:

        OH FM, they have being caught out telling so many lies and using unnamed, unconfirmed sources its ridiculous and you still believe them? LMFAO. That doesnt mean they arnt still right on occasions, but HTF do you know when? Why don’t you actually try listening to the other side of the story on fox and other sites and then doing some research and making your own informed decision. No of course you couldn’t do that, sheep cant think for themselves. By the way pretty sure it was the democrats caught on tape saying that voters were fkg stupid and ignorant sheep they needed to take advantage of that.

    • Desiree Dogood
      Desiree Dogood says:

      One of the accusers is a Trump hater and former campaign worker for Democrats including Biden. And another claimed Moore ordered her a drink of alcohol, which is quite a feat in what was a dry county at the time.

      This stinks of the typical Democrat MO of getting someone to make sexual allegations against their political opponents, at the last minute. I’d bet an investigation of them and their communications would show they colluded with Democrat operatives.

      • josh_bornstein
        josh_bornstein says:

        And one of the main accusers is a reliable conservative Republican and a Trump voter. Why you would accuse a fellow Trump supporter of lying to help a dreaded Democrat is repulsive.

        • AthwartHistory
          AthwartHistory says:

          What is most telling is the amount of time and effort that you, WaPo and your ilk put into virtue signaling about Roy Moore and one 40-year old unprovable accusation. Yet you completely ignore that a sitting US Senator is currently under investigation by the FBI for having sex with underage prostitutes among other felonies.
          I’ll save you the embarrassment. It is Bob Menendez D – NJ

          • Insanitea
            Insanitea says:

            Perhaps he is talking about Moore instead of Menendez because this article is about Moore, not Menendez. Just a guess.

    • OldSaltUSNR
      OldSaltUSNR says:

      “Innocent until proven guilty” is another way of saying “the benefit of doubt goes to the accused”.

      There may be different standards in politics, for the only jury that matters in politics are the voters. However, after 38 years, multiple highly public elections, and a lifetime of honorable living, I maintain the benefit of doubt in this case, STILL and especially goes to the accused.

      I think Moore is making a mistake by talking about this on Hannity, or to other media. Deny the accusation, stand on the facts and your honor, and ignore the issue until after the election. The day after the election, sue the Washington Post for slander. Discovery will prove if the reporter “over heard this” as she claimed, or whether she was specifically crafting a slander by searching for “witnesses” to support her politically favored meme in support of her political party.

      Oh, and file that suite in an Alabama court, with an Alabama jury.

        • David Majors
          David Majors says:

          Nope. No evidence at all. Forty years after the alleged incident anyone can claim “She told me the day after” That has exactly zero evidentiary value- simply because there is no evidence from the time the alleged incident happened that ANYONE said or did anything about it..

        • OldSaltUSNR
          OldSaltUSNR says:

          No doubt – in the progressive mind. No cooperating evidence necessary (i.e. “testimony” of friends or a mother, given not under oath, 40 years after the fact, is not “evidence). No grand juries required, nothing is required to prove, but the political interest of partisan Democrats, in the progressive’s system of justice.

          If the Democrats win that Senate seat, all will be right with the world, regardless if Moore did it, right? In your mind, the fact that he’s a mindless Christian is enough to disqualify him from holding any office.

          Heck, just being a Christian is probably grounds for a death sentence, proof positive if ill intent, in a “fair minded” progressive’s world right? However, let the President of the United States sexually corrupt an 18 year old intern, while working, while in the White House, and hey, that’s all cool with you and yours, right?

    • TexasAlien
      TexasAlien says:

      Harry… you left out the “important” part of that sentence, i.e., “When the abuse is recent, continuing, and well-documented—as it was and is, for example in the case of Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein”… yikes!! big difference between recent & 40 years… he said, she said stuff is hard, and 40 years makes it even harder…

    • Lew Black
      Lew Black says:

      I find it interesting that you don’t include Fox News in your list of media. I agree that a criminal trial should not be tried in the press. This is investigative reporting on a public figure running for office. Whole different scenario. Remember, it was major papers that brought down Spitzer and Weiner.

    • Paul52
      Paul52 says:

      She’s backing his opponent?
      What a surprise!
      You’d vote for your molester?

      The man’s a creep:

      “Moore said he doesn’t “remember dating any girl without the permission of her mother,” but admitted that he “dated a lot of young ladies” when he returned from the military, though “not generally” 16-or 17-year-olds.”

      • odys
        odys says:

        So you at least agree that Moore did not date underage girls. And so he is in the clear by your own admission.

  8. Ken
    Ken says:

    Moore admits that he dated underage girls when he was in his early 30’s. Moore says it was OK because he always asked the girls’ mothers first.

    Now why would a man in his 30’s be seeking dates with underage girls?

    • odys
      odys says:

      “Moore said he doesn’t “remember dating any girl without the permission of her mother,” but admitted that he “dated a lot of young ladies” when he returned from the military, though “not generally” 16-or 17-year-olds.”

      That is the closest I can find to your charge that he dated underage girls and as you can see he makes no mention of underage girls. You have a source?

  9. chrisinva
    chrisinva says:

    President John Adams to his friend, Dr. Benjamin Rush:

    The Bible contains the most profound philosophy, the most perfect morality, and the most refined policy, that was ever conceived upon the earth. It is the most Republican book in the world, and therefore I will still revere it. The curses against fornication and adultery, and the prohibition of fornication or libidinous ogle at a woman, I believe to be the only system that did or ever will preserve a Republic in the world.

  10. Trapper John
    Trapper John says:

    The hypocrisy is so ripe. The religious right and cultural conservatives will continue to support a man accused of child molestation. Why? Because he’s one of their own. Pathetic.

    • Kielland11
      Kielland11 says:

      Accused is just that, not convicted. People can say a lot of things that may or may not be true. If this lady is telling the truth, convict him-then he is guilty. That is the foundation of our Justice System. We do not force our accused to prove their innocence-that is for third world dictatorships. Here the burden of proof is on the accuser & the state to prove his guilt.

      • Trapper John
        Trapper John says:

        This isn’t a criminal trial, this is an election. In an election only the court of public opinion matters.

  11. aj1575
    aj1575 says:

    A conservative is a sexual predator? Can’t be true. The story is made up, and the women are telling lies.
    Well and even if he did it, that was a long time ago.
    Compare that reaction in the conservative media, to the one when someone from Hollywood is accused.
    Do you really think that it is always fake when it is a conservative, and always true, when it is a liberal?

    • mistermcfrugal
      mistermcfrugal says:

      But do you really think that it is always true when it is a conservative? My guess is that it is impossible to tell in many cases. So, if it’s suits your fancy, do you want Moore strung up based on he said, she said stuff?

      For me, I suspect a lot of lying by accusers. Liars can stand to make millions or be famous. I don’t think anyone should be hung in the absence of solid evidence, be they liberal or conservative.

      • aj1575
        aj1575 says:

        Tell me about one case where a woman made millions of falsely accusing a man of sexual misconduct. Usually, there is some truth behind the story, and usually there is more than one woman who accuses the man. (in the Roy Moore case there is only one women who is interesting from a legal standpoint, because she was underage, but there are other women who accuse him of the same, just that they where a little bit older).

    • Joe Schmolen
      Joe Schmolen says:

      When Democrats are not only accused but proof is incontrovertible, when the offenses run on for years with multiple victims as with Clinton and the Kennedys, Democrats never ever criticize the guilty but instead slander the women. Democrats defended the Hollywood predators for decades, until finally it has become too hot to touch.

      Try and reconcile how Democrat feminists responded to Clinton and the Kennedys with how they are screeching today. They attack or defend depending on the political affiliation of the perpetrator.

      • aj1575
        aj1575 says:

        “When Democrats are not only accused but proof is incontrovertible”.. what proof? it is mostly the same he said, she said in these cases.
        The big difference is, that conservative can count on conservative media, to protect them; running stories smearing the accuser, doubting the stories, and protecting the predator. While on the other hand, the mainstream media do not care about who the predator is, they care just about the facts.
        “until finally it has become too hot to touch.” so you think, you still have some time to protect conservative predators.
        “They attack or defend depending on the political affiliation of the perpetrator.” They ones that are protected the most are conservative politicians in the alt-right media at the moment (Trump going after women and even bragging about it, no problem at all when you read Breitbart, Fox or Infowars; Roy Moore, no problem, it was nothing, and it was a long time ago…)

  12. Kielland11
    Kielland11 says:

    Also, if you made these allegations in the time of our Founders, you could be called upon to defend them with your body. That is why Andrew Jackson fought multiple duels. People made “untrue” allegations about his wife. I believe that people were more restrained previously because running their mouth could literally be risking their life. Now, anyone who makes a false allegation can destroy someone else & not even be prosecuted when they show it is a complete lie. See Rolling Stone VA story & multiple false reports of anti-Muslim hate crimes etc.

    • Joe Schmolen
      Joe Schmolen says:

      And let the same tactic now be used freely against Democrats. Its so easy–no need for proof, deliver the charge just before the election, then later quietly go silent. Turn-about is fair play.

      • Steve Orlowski
        Steve Orlowski says:

        You stupid white trash, 4 bitches are on the record. How the fuck do say there’s no proof?

        Schmoe?? LOL!!

  13. Kurt
    Kurt says:

    Thank you Mr. Presser. This is exactly what I have been suggesting (though this is much better stated) since this story broke. It seems to me that at one time that the news media would have required far more corroborating evidence before reporting on something from 38 years earlier.

  14. Popeye
    Popeye says:

    This woman has made very serious allegations but, to my knowledge, has not filed any legal complaint or suit. Unless there is a court case she will not be compelled to produce her proof.

    Roy Moore is a loose canon and wacky but no one deserves to have their reputation ruined by the press or by someone who has produced allegations but no proof–particularly 40 years later during a pivotal election.

  15. MaroonVee
    MaroonVee says:

    Teddy Kennedy, the lion of the Senate, bill Clinton awarded father of the year, Moore can still serve in the Senate. He’s been given that pass by previous others. The press has lost so much credibility, among Repulicans, any smear of a Repulican just gives him more votes.

    • cachhubguy
      cachhubguy says:

      Let’s not forget Hillary’s mentor, Robert Byrd. The Grand Wizard of the Senate. Democrats loved that guy. How did they explain that away? Oh yeah. It was a long time ago. People change.

  16. Rosa1984
    Rosa1984 says:

    We need parameters set regarding sexual harassment allegations. “Harassment” is a very subjective term, too vague, needs to be defined.
    When someone comes forward 4 wks. before an election with a serious accusation about something from 40 years ago– which cannot be proven…. this is Irresponsible, and should be exposed & condemned.
    Allegations hurt many people, destroys families, destroys marriages, careers– and even results in suicide.

  17. Joe Schmolen
    Joe Schmolen says:

    Of course this tactic will succeed. The Democrats are pushing it to the furthest limits–four decade old accusations, zero corroboration, no illegality alleged. The mere accusation, delivered on the eve of the election, does its damage.

    Do the Democrats think that they are immune from turn-about? They all circled the wagons to defend Bill Clinton from far worse, but in the current atmosphere, do they think that hypocrisy will work? Hollywood is finally hoist on its own hypocrisy; do Democrat politicians think they are immune?

    Democrats cynically thought they could hype up a baseless “Russian collusion” investigation, and only Republicans would suffer. They will and are learning otherwise. It isn’t wise to grab the tiger’s tail and then poke the tiger. This tactic too will cause them problems.

    • Groty1
      Groty1 says:

      Democrats used to use sexual impropriety against Republicans to demonstrate the hypocrisy of social conservatives who promote “family values”. They would excuse the same behavior if it happened on their side.

      After Weinstein, the Left is now holding their side accountable. We’ll see if it lasts. In holding their side accountable, they seem to want to change society’s norms, mores and broader culture. I’m fine with it. Provided the rules are applied to everybody and not just on one side for political gain.

      It’s been a wild ride the past 50 years. We’ve gone from ’50s era monogamy being replaced by sexual promiscuity in the ’60s and ’70s. Now you almost need a notarized consent form before a man can touch a woman (at least in the middle and upper classes, the lower class people are still bed hopping freely); to normalizing homosexuality to such an extreme that homos can now marry.

      I don’t think it is healthy to change attitudes about permissiveness so frequently. Nobody will ever know what the “rules” are and people will get hurt. However, I think it is a good sign that the Left finally appears to be serious about holding the creeps on their side accountable. This is a good sign.

      • Rosa1984
        Rosa1984 says:

        HPV virus, especially if its one of the strains which causes cancer… will force people to change their ways.

  18. HWJoy
    HWJoy says:

    Where was this girl’s mother when the girl was asked out by a 30-year-old single man? Or, for that matter, why didn’t the girl discuss the “dates” with her family? If the girl had told anyone, and/or if her mother knew, why weren’t charges brought then? Was it OK with the girl and her family as long as the “accused” was just an ordinary guy and not running for public office? Why wasn’t this used politically in Moore’s previous elections?

    • odys
      odys says:

      Yeah, he said he did not date any girl without mom’s approval so that shoots that whole ine of reasoning to h!ll.

  19. barry1817
    barry1817 says:

    the new Sci fi spoof Orville just ran an episode that details what is happening in this country.

    People are subjected to others voting on everything, and guilty, truth and anything else is based on voting,

    Facts be damned.

    and what we are getting is a political hi tech lynching, by a so called media outlet who detests republicans.

  20. Tecumseh
    Tecumseh says:

    What a bunch of shameless nonsense.

    – Touching a minor for sexual gratification is illegal, and there is no statute of limitations.
    -These arent rumors. These are claims by the people who experienced them. Rumors are second hand; these are first hand accounts.
    -For a Trump supporter to complain about the political use of old accusations that havent been proven in court is a truly unbelievable level of hypocrisy.

    • D. Ploribus Unum
      D. Ploribus Unum says:

      I didn’t see where the writer said he supported Trump a year ago, or supports him now. Could you point out the passage where it says this, please?

    • Rosa1984
      Rosa1984 says:

      Where’s the evidence?
      So you believe any & every woman who claims to be sexually harassed/assaulted?
      Ever hear of Duke Lacrosse case? University of Virginia Rape Case?

    • maxbert50
      maxbert50 says:

      It is so typical of false accusations that a single incident is morphed into the plural. A claim becomes “claims”; an account becomes “accounts,” and a person becomes “people.”

      Dead giveaway.

    • Shore111
      Shore111 says:

      In 2015 only 20% of Americans trusted their government and its institutions. 19% trust the MSM. This is not good for either the culture or the country.

  21. Eric Johnson
    Eric Johnson says:

    I’ve seen this all before with Clarence Thomas, but unlike the Beltway Republicans, I think the same standards should be applied to everybody, not just those people that I like. I think George Takei’s politics are abhorrent, but I don’t think he did what was accused of him either.

  22. Rod
    Rod says:

    Harry Reid, while still a U.S. Senator, set the standard when he accused Romney, just prior to the 2012 presidential election, of not paying taxes for ten years, a blatant lie.

    Later, a liberal writer for the liberal Washington Post wrote this of Reid’s action:

    “Romney didn’t win, did he?” Reid said in response to Bash’s question of whether he regretted what he had said about Romney.
    Think about that logic for a minute. What Reid is saying is that it’s entirely immaterial whether what he said about Romney and his taxes was true. All that mattered was that Romney didn’t win.

    Democrats have set the standards bar so low that virtually anyone of them can crawl across it.

          • 1stAmendment_101
            1stAmendment_101 says:

            Still cannot get over that most of those votes came from the land of fruits and nuts, LOL! Why should one state sway the entire election? The electoral college is the law of the land get over it snowflake!

          • Rosa1984
            Rosa1984 says:

            Trump won the Vast Majority of States and counties in the U.S.
            Most of Hillary’s votes came from a handful of coastal states & definitely does NOT represent the majority of the country.

          • JubJub_McShart
            JubJub_McShart says:

            Well we can’t all keep track of how many comments people post on the internet. You’re doing god’s work, champ.

            Some people would call you a pathetic loser. Admittedly they have a strong argument.

          • mceltix2000
            mceltix2000 says:

            Lordy you are an idiot, JubJub… we can click on your profile and find out in 5 seconds that you are nothing more than a paid-poster here. 10cents x 2700 posts… not a really big payday there…but keep tryin!

          • JubJub_McShart
            JubJub_McShart says:

            You must be part of the one third of the country who supports President Effin Moron. Don’t feel bad, he loves the poorly educated ????

  23. JubJub_McShart
    JubJub_McShart says:

    I have to believe that eventually republicans will grow tired of defending child molesters and sexual predators.

    Just kidding, that’ll never happen ????

  24. Curly Surfhouse
    Curly Surfhouse says:

    The ends justify the means…the dems want this guy destroyed…if they can turn 5-10% of the electorate against him he will lose…in a tight race, that’s all it takes…and the 35-plus year-old sex allegation is often effective…we shall see.

    • louloulaw
      louloulaw says:

      It isn’t only the Dems who want him destroyed. Witness the piling on of the GOPe.
      Today it is reported in several places, including the Gateway Pundit, that an Alabama woman was offered $$ by one of the WA PO reporters for sexual harassment “statement” against Judge Moore. She recorded the offer and turned it over to her local DA’s office.

      • Curly Surfhouse
        Curly Surfhouse says:

        Totally agree…the GOPe and RINOs are now part of the problem and have joined the DC Uniparty/swamp.

  25. 1stAmendment_101
    1stAmendment_101 says:

    I am not a Judge Moore fan, but as was pointed out in this article, we practice jurisprudence. Innocent until proven guilty!
    So what we have here is MSM publishing unproven allegations to serve their political purposes. If nothing else, the MSM is dangerous with it propensity to exaggerate, manufacture, and lie. Yes, innocent or guilty, Judge Moore is the victim of a disingenuous MSM who will do anything to hurt POTUS Trump and his supporters.

  26. brian_in_arizona
    brian_in_arizona says:

    A core principle of our legal system is that it is better to let the guilty go free than to wrongly convict the innocent.

    Our political system does not operate on this principle….or any principle that I can perceive, except win at all costs.

    That reality causes me to doubt everything that is not backed up by hard evidence.

  27. Gavin McDougald
    Gavin McDougald says:

    The right has lost it’s collective mind. I had to click through to this story to see if it was on the Onion. Holy smokes folks! You are all so holier than though and the holiest of the thouest, Roy Moore, is the biggest hypocrite who maybe ever lived, yet here you are defending him, because… tax cuts. Are you all beyond help?

    • JDL
      JDL says:

      Yet when it was Bill Clinton, the left told us it was a “private matter,” and Hillary blamed in on the vast right wing conspiracy.

      • Attila_the_hun
        Attila_the_hun says:

        As they say in the middle east one’s terrorist is others freedom fighter.
        The truth is WP has no credibility. Second be suspicious of anyone who tell a story after keeping it secret for 40 years.

      • Gavin McDougald
        Gavin McDougald says:

        4 women, 30 sources in total, all against this one man – who yesterday admitted yesterday he dated teenaged girls while in his 30’s. That’s the guy you want in the US Senate? (You have lost your minds)

        • JDL
          JDL says:

          What century are you in? Between the left’s advocacy of every manner of sexual perversion, LGBTQ rights, sodomy, anal sex, gay marriage, pornography as free speech, glory holes, and an overwhelming empathy for HIV victims contracting the disease through homosexual anal intercourse, etc. and yet you are appalled and incensed that a 30 year old finds eligible teens attractive whose very own mothers approved of dating. Melania, our first lady, gives up 23 years to the president. Clinton was was more than 25 years older than Monica, and the French president’s wife is 15 years his senior. No sex, rape, assault, or aggravated assault is alleged. There is no crime here, just the 40 year old ‘recollections’ of creative minds working for a political opponent. Grow up! This is slander at its finest without even any crime alleged. The timing smells, the allegations smell, the reporting smells, and the WaPo is KNOW for its smell and useful falsifications for political expediency.

        • 1stAmendment_101
          1stAmendment_101 says:

          You still need proof or at the very least circumstances that leave no
          doubt in your mind. I could easily accuse you of anything without any
          proof if I had a bully pulpit like the WashPost. Now go ahead and prove
          me wrong after I have tarnished your life Gavin!

          • Gavin McDougald
            Gavin McDougald says:

            I see what you did there. Did you see what he did there? He threatened me. And so it goes, those with the weakest argument, at the end of the day, resort to threats. I also notice you go by an alias. Very “freedom of speech” of you that you have to hide behind a fictitious name. Regardless, you are on the team of a “man” who is almost certainly a molester of children, and at the very least a freakin’ weirdo.

            Go you I guess?

          • 1stAmendment_101
            1stAmendment_101 says:

            You obviously don’t like being falsely accused, especially without any reason for doing so except for someones gain in this case political gain. Just keep asking yourself how you felt before you point your finger without proof or evidence!

  28. Don Mooradian
    Don Mooradian says:

    Listen closely to Moore’s interview with Hannity and you can hear Moore hedge his answers. The man sounds guilty. Moore will likely win. though. Not sure what mental and moral somersaults Alabamians will go through to get there but they will vote for him and he will be seated in the Senate and play patty-cake with the rest of them. America will be the worse for it.

  29. Henry Miller
    Henry Miller says:

    Well…

    On the one hand, we have allegations going back decades but which, unaccountably, went unmentioned for all those decades, and, on the other hand, there’s little or no truth ever to be found in politics. Following the principle of parsimony–Okham’s Razor–it seems unlikely that the allegations are true.

  30. ambce
    ambce says:

    Apparently, Gibson worked for the Hillary Campaign. These allegations stink to high heaven – WHY NOW? – and the RINOS who are abandoning Moore because he is not one of them – he is NOT LUTHER STRANGE, a man they can “count” on to do whatever – is another example of the RINO SWAMP we voters have to drain.

  31. Irene Goodnight
    Irene Goodnight says:

    Where to start? Presser seems to want a new sedition act. Sorry Presser, freedom of the press is unfettered.
    Next you need to understand how the Washington Post gathered their information. These women did not go to the Post – the Post went down to Alabama because they heard that rumors of Moore’s predilection for young girls when he was in his thirties had been floating around for years. The Post spent a month tracking down the rumors and then went to the women and gathered corroborating testimony from her mother and her friends who she told what Moore had done to her shortly after the encounter. They have 30 affirming testimonies. They then asked the victim to speak out and she agreed to. The Post did the seeking and the due diligence. The woman courageously agreed to come forward.
    But Presser does not let facts get in his way.

      • Irene Goodnight
        Irene Goodnight says:

        Contemporaneously – and it wasn’t 30 best friends. Why don’t you read the Washington Post’s article and see for yourself? Scared of what you might learn?

    • Rumpelstilskin
      Rumpelstilskin says:

      The stories of the 17 year old, and the 18 year old mean nothing. There was no crime. Did the 14 year old have corroborating evidence?

  32. Ed Turnbull
    Ed Turnbull says:

    Have you even read the Washington Post story? 4 different female accusers with over 30 corroborating sources. These women have nothing to gain by coming forward. This is not some anonymous hit piece. The girl was 14 years old! What is wrong with you and all the people defending this disgusting man? You are willing to cast aside your ethics, your sense of right and wrong, just to win.

    Still in denial? If these women were accusing Bill Clinton or some Democratic congressman, would you likewise defend him? I think not – you would be calling for his head. In many ways, you are just as disgusting as Judge Moore.

    Amazingly there are still a few moral, decent Republican leaders out there who have looked at the facts and made the right decision to disavow Judge Moore as unfit for office. Mitt Romney and Senator McCain are two of the first. And I expect many more will be coming forward over the next couple of days after spending the weekend discussing with wives and daughters….

    • BorisBadinov
      BorisBadinov says:

      You kill and grill neighborhood dogs in your back yard.

      See how easy it is to make baseless allegations?

    • JDL
      JDL says:

      And yet you had no problem with Bill Clinton inserting a cigar into the vagina of a 23 year old intern in the oval office, having oral sex with her, ejaculating onto her dress, and then smoking the cigar. Wow!

          • Ed Turnbull
            Ed Turnbull says:

            I seem to recall her quote “I’m going to work in the White House to get my presidential knee pads”. Not defending Clinton, but that’s very different than molesting a 14 year-old girl. Wouldn’t you agree or are you part of the Joseph and Mary crowd?

          • JDL
            JDL says:

            Totally agree. 14 is off limits. Although didn’t Jerry Lee and Chuck Berry marry 14 year olds? The old south was a bit different.

  33. Golden Rule
    Golden Rule says:

    Don’t forget the media double standard that sweeps any allegation against a Democrat under the rug, while beating the drum of any against a Republican.
    The Democrat crime gang is wanton and thoroughly corrupt. Cilivil society is not a suicide pact where decent people are held to one standard while Democrat scum flaunt their power.

    • Ed Turnbull
      Ed Turnbull says:

      Yeah, like Democrats Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey? Both those guys are ruined and the mainstream media did not hold back. But nice try.

      • JDL
        JDL says:

        Harvey is in a $37,000/mo rehab. He will return cured and with every penny he started with and all his very cherished memories. He will live happily ever after without another peep. After all, Bill and Hillary after their debacle went on to ‘earn’ a cool $250M and Bill never needed his law license anyway.

      • Golden Rule
        Golden Rule says:

        But they did hold back.
        Weinstein was the subject of an article by an NBC employee Ronan Farrow whose employer refused to go with the story. Farrow had to find another publisher. Just like Isikoff was refused by Newsweek and like multiple news outlets refused to print stories exposing Edwards during his Presidential run.

  34. Nessie509
    Nessie509 says:

    Doesn’t help Moore that he doesn’t exactly deny dating 18 and 17 year old girls when he was 32. Gotta ask yourself what’s the guy doing

    • Rumpelstilskin
      Rumpelstilskin says:

      What was wrong with dating 17 and 18 year old girls? If there is something wrong, they should change the law.

      • Ed Turnbull
        Ed Turnbull says:

        The issue is the 14 year-old. Read the Washington Post article if you dare. It’s very credible. Romney and McCain read it and both believe the girl and her family. Moore doesn’t have to be convicted in court to be deemed not worthy of the Senate.

        • Rumpelstilskin
          Rumpelstilskin says:

          Romney? The bully who cut the hair of a gay kid, causing him to commit suicide,
          and gave the workers at his company cancer? He carried his dog on the roof of his car? He has the audacity to criticize the judge? And John ‘Keating’ McCain?

        • JDL
          JDL says:

          ONLY the Alabama voters will decide the merits of the case. That Romney and McCain believe a girl reporting through the WaPo is laughable beyond reality! Both these