Fred Fleitz to Lou Dobbs: ‘Tillerson Should be Fired Tomorrow’

Fred Fleitz, who served as John Bolton’s chief of staff at the United Nations during the George W. Bush Administration, joined Fox Business host Lou Dobbs to discuss the fall of Raqqa (good), progress against North Korea’s nuclear program (better), and the appearance of insubordination among certain prominent members of President Trump’s cabinet (very bad).

Lou Dobbs: Joining us tonight Fred Fleitz, former CIA analyst, chief of staff to Ambassador John Bolton at the United Nations, now a senior vice president at the Center for Security Policy and Fred great to have you with us.

Fred Fleitz: Good to be here.

Dobbs: And I think it’s terrific that tonight on this 20th of October, nine months ago the president inaugurated and today Raqqa is in the hands of U.S.-backed forces in Syria. ISIS is being rolled back, the successes as the president promised have been incredible, particularly compared to the passivity of the previous administration and its campaign against ISIS, such as it was.

Fleitz: I think that’s right, I mean, President Trump took the gloves off. There were so many restrictions on our operations in Iraq and Syria and it made a real difference against ISIS. Now, we’re not gonna hear this on other networks. I think we’re seeing some cautious signs of progress on North Korea but I don’t know that sanctions against North Korea will ever work but if they’re going to work, they’re gonna work under this president because he’s twisting the arms of the Chinese and the Russians and others to get them to enforce sanctions. We may have to attack but we have to go down the sanctions road and I’m encouraged.

Dobbs: And in the case of North Korea, the Secretary of State today suggesting it might be months before, only months, before North Korea has the ability to deliver a nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile. This has been a stunning ratcheting up of the estimated timetable for the nuclear threat posed by North Korea.

Fleitz: They could have the capability now. We don’t know, the intelligence community says North Korea has 60 nuclear weapons. Whether they detonated a hydrogen bomb last month or not, we don’t know. It was a 250 kiloton weapon, which was 25 times their previous weapon. This is a very serious threat and I think North Korea’s nuclear arsenal is an offensive arsenal, not a deterrent and they will one day use it.

Dobbs: And as we are watching this, we hear from the secretary of state again, almost impossible to contemplate language. Tillerson’s saying that he wants to balance his views with those of the president. Are you kidding me?

Fleitz: I’m very angry with Secretary Tillerson, who told the Europeans today that they don’t have to worry about their trade deals with Iran, that we’re going to go after them. I immediately tweeted that Tillerson should be fired tomorrow for this. He undermined—well he’s trying to undermine what the president did, but I think the Europeans know that Mr. Trump is serious about the Iran deal and if it isn’t fixed, and it isn’t going to be fixed, but if it isn’t fixed, he’s gonna get out.

Dobbs: This is a very difficult moment for many people to understand. The president is tolerating such abuse from his own cabinet that I mean, I don’t react well to it I will tell you. I just cannot imagine a person not deferring to the president of the United States, any American citizen and to have this kind of arrogant insubordination on the part of a secretary of state is just, it’s infuriating and I have to give the president all the credit in the world. This is a man I don’t think most of us would have ever expected to this tolerant, to be this generous and nor would of I expected Rex Tillerson to be such a small and silly person.

Fleitz: You know, I think we should think of this in light of the really inappropriate speech George W. Bush gave yesterday. The Bush circle is not in Trump’s circle and the Bush circle helps staff Trump’s national security team.

Dobbs: Yes.

Fleitz: And that’s why there’s been all this trouble in the Iran deal, the Paris climate accord, radical Islam. At the end of the year, the president has to take account of who gave him good advice, who gave him good advice on personnel and make some major changes.

Dobbs: Yeah, this is truly the . . . It looks to be the contest of purpose, direction, and will between Bush globalists and Trump nationalists, and I thank the Lord the president seems to be winning nearly all of the battles.


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10 responses to “Fred Fleitz to Lou Dobbs: ‘Tillerson Should be Fired Tomorrow’”

  1. Maybe he should be fired, but that message can’t be coming from the man who served as John Bolton’s chief of staff for what should be obvious reasons.

  2. The real question to Tillerson is why a guy with a massive Exxon pension would want to work for a fukkin moron

    • He was smart enough to get elected and fulfill most of his campaign promises already. His only disappointments have been the result of our do-nothing congress.

  3. I disagree vehemently that Tillerson should be fired tomorrow.

    In point of fact, he should be fired YESTERDAY.

  4. Who here asked to be born?. Why then do you tolerate those who would rule over you without your approval and consent??

    Trump was elected and not Tillerson. If he does anything other than what you want him to do ever .. hang him day before yesterday without looking back!


  6. Trump knows what he wants. If he has made a bad mistake, it is not staffing his administration with people who accept his mission. Probably unlike most of the commenters, I like Tillerson in that I think he has a lot of gravity, he is a serious guy – unfortunately someone who leans to globalism and worse someone who even more than Trump has failed to purge the enemies of Trump’s policy from the State Department and has tolerated their instruction. But in the end Trump is driving the direction of the policies. I think that Tillerson acts as a foil for Trump to bounce ideas against and hear the other side often. Personally, as an executive, I have found such people useful. In my experience it is dangerous to surround yourself with yes men. It is more useful to have independently deep-thinking subordinates to help you better consider your direction realistically – as long as in the end when you make your decision they fall in line.

    I do not think the Tillerson is failing to fall in line. I think something different is going on. I think that part of Trump’s style and strategy – discussed in “The Art of the Deal” repeatedly – is to put out some contradictory signals both to confuse the enemies and disguise your final intentions until you cannot be blocked. I think Trump uses Tillerson and others in this way. I think this is smart. I have done the same thing before. It always brings whining and complaint from the simple-minded people who want to obstruct you and demand you put your strategy out in advance so they an more easily block it. But their tears are my nectar. It is about winning. Winning sometimes requires directness and transparency but other times requires indirectness, misdirection and surprise. Trump gets it. Tillerson is a part of Trump’s strategy.