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The Nightmares and the Realities of Never Trump

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Rarely in the last half-century have so many elite conservatives and intellectuals been so estranged both from a Republican administration and from those who voted for it—neither have they become so animated in their antipathy and disgust for a sitting president.

During the 2016 election, and the current Trump presidency, there have appeared four implicit tenets to the conservative “Never Trump” position that, we are supposed to understand, justified not voting for him, actively opposing him, or voting for Hillary Clinton:

1) The character flaws of the inexperienced and uncouth Trump would eventually nullify any positive agenda that he might enact; not opposing such a boorish character undermines one’s reputation as an empirical and fair-minded conservative;

2) Trump is a liberal wolf in conservative sheep’s clothing; at any given moment he will break his campaign promises and revert to his 1980s New York Democratic self. Or, Trump has no ideology and is an empty vessel willing to embrace almost any ideology he finds efficacious to his ambitions of the moment. Either way, he will do the conservative cause real damage;

3) Trump’s base supporters, while not irredeemables and deplorables, are prone to nationalist extremism and embrace certain prejudices that are antithetical to conservative values;

4) Clinton’s progressive agendas would not do as much damage to the nation as would Trump’s uncouth character. Thus the defeat of the Republicans in 2016, or the failure of an ensuing Trump presidency, would be cathartic. Only a Trump implosion would teach Republicans never again to allow such an untried and dangerous populist nationalist without political experience to highjack their party, while cleansing the movement of some odious figures and unpalatable ideas that have no business in it—or both.

How true have these nightmares so far played out?

#1 Character is Armageddon?

Trump, the president, certainly has continued his erratic and mercurial behavior in the manner of Trump, the candidate. His tweets are often incoherent (and yet also prescient in odd ways) and pursue the trivial. His habits—largely living alone in the White House, short on sleep, tweeting in the early hours—add to his irascibility. The White House operations reflect Trump’s own impulsiveness.

But all that said, Trump’s character defects have not so far derailed his conservative agenda, in some part because many of those who hate him—the media, academics, and the progressives—have acted so unhinged that they themselves have lost all credibility and now seem to belong in the pages of the National Enquirer.

Never Trump cadres rightfully object to the invocation of the classical logical fallacy of tu quoque. While liberal hypocrisy does not excuse evaluating Trump on his merits, in a world of flawed politicians, the media and critics nonetheless focus rarely on Trump’s accomplishments and almost always on Trump’s sins. And they do so in such an unbalanced manner that similar treatment of Obama (daily focusing on Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, and Bill Ayers; late night comedy about presidential ignorance that the Maldives were in the South Atlantic, or that corpsmen was pronounced with a hard p; daily emphases on serial untruth from the Benghazi disaster to the ACA to the Iran Deal, while mired in scandals that tarnished the VA, IRS, NSA, and Justice Department) would have caused hysteria.

While liberal hypocrisy does not excuse evaluating Trump on his merits, in a world of flawed politicians, the media and critics nonetheless focus rarely on Trump’s accomplishments and almost always on Trump’s sins.

Trump, it is rightly said, is his own worst enemy. The Never Trump mantra that “character is destiny,” and thus Trump in Nixonian style is doomed, may one day prove true. But for now the media is reduced to obsessions with Trump’s daily portions of ice cream (two scoops instead of one?) or peddles fake news that his wife was once an escort or that Trump frolicked in sick sexual antics in Moscow, and on and on. In the grand scheme of things these obsessions are far less important than the resumption of the Keystone and Dakota pipelines, a 70 percent drop in illegal immigration, and the appointment of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

In the case of Never Trump, a week of relative Trump quiet and good economic or foreign affairs news earns either a minute of quiet, or a begrudging nod, while a media frenzy over another Trump crudity brings out the inevitable “I was right all along.” More glee arises from an unsourced Washington Post rumor than news of new energy development or ongoing restoration of deterrence abroad. All this begs the question of whether the Never Trump group ever remembered why and how such a polarizing figure won the election and the presidency instead of another sober John McCain or judicious Mitt Romney, or what would be the consequences of a failed agenda for the country at large?

Introspection is not advice to withhold criticism when Trump exhibits his character flaws, but a call to at least appreciate the tragic situation that half the country finds itself in: a flawed character has a better chance of enacting key conservative correctives than did his occasionally moral superiors—a paradox to be explored by reasoned conservative audit rather than through hysteria or self-referential snark.

#2 Backsliding Conservative?

Assumption #2 is mostly already refuted.

True, Trump is a volatile figure and without a long conservative pedigree, but so far he has kept to his word in nominating conservative and highly competent judges to the federal courts. His executive orders on deregulation, energy production, and illegal immigration are likely more conservative than those of any Republican president since Ronald Reagan.

The ongoing effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act and scheduled tax reform are antithetical to the entire Obama-Clinton agenda. Trump has assembled the most impressive and capable national security team (James Mattis, H.R. McMaster, John Kelly, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, etc.) since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. Other appointments like Tom Price, Scott Pruitt, Jeff Sessions, and Ryan Zinke are the sorts whom Republican presidents of the past might nevertheless have passed on as unnecessarily polarizing in their true-blue conservatism.

The pre-presidential fears about a populist nationalist rather than conservative Trump (e.g., that he would erect punitive tariffs, dry up global trade, start an unnecessary war, or crash the economy) have not materialized. Very preliminary statistics concerning economic growth, labor participation, energy production, the stock market, and business and consumer confidence are all positive. In just three months, Wall Street has concluded that Trump is most interested in growing GDP and with it good-paying jobs.

Illegal immigration is reportedly down some 70 percent while executives in the steel, coal, and manufacturing industries report a new confidence not seen in years. While it is possible that in the future a volatile and unpredictable Trump will become frustrated with an ossified Republican congress and turn to Democrats, as yet there is simply no evidence that Trump is not following a conservative agenda.

The pre-presidential fears about a populist nationalist rather than conservative Trump (e.g., that he would erect punitive tariffs, dry up global trade, start an unnecessary war, or crash the economy) have not materialized. Very preliminary statistics concerning economic growth, labor participation, energy production, the stock market, and business and consumer confidence are all positive.

There may well be widening fissures ahead in the conservative/Trump divide, as establishment Republicans find no need for a wall on the southern border. They may worry about Trump’s jawboning of private companies that have a right to outsource/offshore as they please. Trump’s tax cuts and refusal to address entitlement spending will acerbate already swollen deficits and debt. Yet, these are still not existential differences—at least not yet. So far Trump’s first 100 days are more conservative than the policies that both John McCain and Mitt Romney ran on.

#3 Nuts, Bigots, and Assorted Unhinged Populists?

The third worry of Never Trumpers about the dark strains and elements within the Trump movement has also proved so far groundless. The smears against the Make America Great Again crowd were more media-generated narratives that spun and exaggerated Trump’s campaign rhetoric.

So far Trump’s working class, populist supporters have been behaved and focused on the Trump energy and jobs agenda, as well as his refreshing lack of political correctness. Trump has made no racist or anti-Semitic appeal to gin up enthusiasm, but rather has gone out of his way to try to win over minorities and women with promises of economic growth.

So far all the political violence associated with the election of Trump, from Inauguration to the latest campus rioting, has been on the Left. No pro-Trump crowds don masks, break windows or shut down traffic. The crudity in contemporary politics—from the constant sick jokes referring to First Family incest, smears against the First Lady, low attacks on the Trump children, boycotts of the Inauguration, talk and dreams of killing the president—is on the liberal/progressive side.

Even Trump’s poorly prepared first immigration order did not target Muslims per se, but instead echoed Obama’s earlier apprehensions about unvetted refugees from seven volatile Middle Eastern nations (a small fraction of the world’s Muslims). Its subsequent and improved version (that did not target green-card holders, for example) will eventually pass Supreme Court muster.

So far all the political violence associated with the election of Trump, from Inauguration to the latest campus rioting, has been on the Left. No pro-Trump crowds don masks, break windows or shut down traffic. The crudity in contemporary politics—from the constant sick jokes referring to First Family incest, smears against the First Lady, low attacks on the Trump children, boycotts of the Inauguration, talk and dreams of killing the president—is on the liberal/progressive side. The entertainment industry’s obscenity and coarseness have been picked up by mainstream Democratic officials, who now routinely resort to profanities like s–t and f–k to attack the president. Almost every ethical code—television journalists do not report on air private conservations with their guests during breaks, opposition congressional representatives do attend the Inauguration, Senators do not use obscenities—have been abandoned in efforts to delegitimize Trump.

When Hillary Clinton assumed the mantle of the “Resistance,” she was deliberately using a metaphor to convey the idea that she is analogous to a French patriot under occupation and Trump is a veritable foreign Nazi belligerent.

#4 A Preferable Clinton Agenda?

From the opposition to Trump’s first 100 days, we can sense where the Clinton agenda was headed: a Supreme Court pick further to the left than Merrick Garland; expanded race/class/gender themes across cabinet offices; a likely single-payer health system; higher taxes and more regulations, a radical climate change menu, and increased identity politics.

Any presidential election is a zero-sum game; a Republican staying home was a vote for Clinton in the fashion of a Sanders supporter sitting out 2016 was a vote for Trump. Far from a Clinton victory being a catharsis, it would have green lighted more illegal immigration, expanded the themes of the Eric Holder/Loretta Lynch Justice Department, and lost the Supreme Court for 20 years.

As far as a catharsis, it has already occurred though perhaps in ways not anticipated. A reported 92 percent of Republicans voted for Donald Trump, even if in some cases on the low-bar assumption that 51 percent of something was better than the alternative.

Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election, and with it ensured at least 12 and likely 16 years of a hard progressive government.

A Never Trump movement, I think it is fair to say, had absolutely no influence on the 2016 election. In theory, elites may have convinced a few key Republican voters in swing states to stay home or to vote for Hillary Clinton; but in reality they were far outnumbered by huge numbers of new Republican voters who saw in Trump hope that they did not in far more experienced and sober men of character.

Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election, and with it ensured at least 12 and likely 16 years of a hard progressive government.

Finally, there was something deeply wrong in the Republican Party that at some point required a Trump to excise it. The Republican Party and conservative movement had created a hierarchy that mirror-imaged its liberal antithesis, and suggested to middle class voters between the coasts that the commonalities in income, professional trajectories, and cultural values of elites trumped their own political differences. How a billionaire real estate developer appeared, saw that paradox, and became more empathetic to the plight of middle-class Americans than the array of Republican political pundits is one of the most alarming stories of our age.

Trump was not so much a reflection of red-state Americans’ political ignorance, as their weariness with those of both parties who ridicule, ignore, or patronize them—and now seek to overturn the verdict of the election.

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484 replies
  1. Blackfox
    Blackfox says:

    Compared to the antics of his enemies Trump is a veritable paragon of virtue. Plus he is smart and effective. I am confident that Trump, at the end of his terms in office, will be remembered by historians as the president who saved and revitalised the Republic. Let the best and the brightest choke on that.

    • mauloa
      mauloa says:

      Well said. The Republican party leadership is the loser here. They have never fully backed nor supported Trump from the beginning and certainly not now. When Trump is besieged by nefarious and dark secret combinations – the party either joins the dark side or sits twiddling their thumbs. Trump has always been in it by himself (other than his administration) and always will be – that is why he is successful. The Republicans holding all three branches is because of Trump – not because of any other individual or group sitting in the hallowed halls. Hopefully he can last through this barrage.

      • Nat10000
        Nat10000 says:

        Trump.is weak.and stupid– everyone saw it during the campaign , and each day, more and more republicans see that it is true. He will.be gone before Labor Day– and if collusion is proven it will.be an.interesting moment– i imagine the house will impeach him in order to.prevent the movement to install Hillary and impeach Gorsuch. It’s hard to.predict where things will end but the deplorables will surely turn on the republican.congress, and when we take it over I expect we will find a way to install Hillary as president.

        • mauloa
          mauloa says:

          You sound like a wannabe grade C intrigue movie – and a very sad one at that. I could explain to you why your thesis isn’t possible – but I’m sure you would not understand.

        • Hominid
          Hominid says:

          What’s “collusion” mean? Collusion in what? If you mean collusion to win the election, there is NO law against it as long as it doesn’t involve direct tampering with procedures or ballots. There is NO crime to investigate. This is another make-believe Valerie Plame “scandal.”

        • Fred Doe
          Fred Doe says:

          Impeach him for WHAT? Be precise and present the evidence, not multiple rumours, unsourced stories, completely unverified charges and lies.

          • Nat10000
            Nat10000 says:

            No, u r wrong. . when the republicans get sick enough of that ass, they will notneed a reason, andthee WILL NOT BE ONE. they will putforth some nominal reason 4 formalitys sake but the real reason will be that he is weak, stupid, wholly ineffectual, Andre appeals only to the party’s simplest and most servile and racist , alllined up for their turn with him.

            As far as an actual reason right now, his attempt to squash the Flynn investigation will do. So will the summary of the Mueller report.

            And he will provide new reasons every fortnight Cuz he was born a weak and stupid child of privilege whom only a right wing half man is dumb enough to worship and fellate

          • Nat10000
            Nat10000 says:

            U dont get it. People hate that guy– and hate that someone that pathetically degraded in all realms of respectability was elevated to a position of honor by the rabble the FF’s worried would– if given the opportunity– make poor decisions that conflict with their interest, which they lack the wisdom to do discern ; consistently misunderstand.

          • Fred Doe
            Fred Doe says:

            You don’t get it. You have Trump derangement syndrome imparted onto your weak easily led mind by a corrupt MSM.

          • Nat10000
            Nat10000 says:

            And that ^ right there is another thing. I was noting it last night, elsewhere.. From the aping of the “fake news,” to.the labeling of liberals as “fascists,” and now to the “weak easily led” thing.. The right reads a description of itself and accuses its rivals of actually possessing the trait. Or it projects its own traits onto its rivals and then.says it twice as often and loud.

            And trump’s a pussy

          • Nat10000
            Nat10000 says:

            And one other thing .. Off topic but I wanna know..u were into that whole “Obama wasn’t born here” bit, right?

            And in twofold; first, that that Obama wasn’t, and 2nd. That someone born elsewhere must not be prez Cuz the C says they can’t

          • Fred Doe
            Fred Doe says:

            And so you double down on having absolutely nothing!
            You would be comical if you and your kind weren’t an immediate danger to the republic!

          • Nat10000
            Nat10000 says:

            Ok, so I think..that u would have denied the birther thing if it hadn’t applied.

            I will bet money that when u heard that idiot trump press onward on.the birther thing u felt all warm inside Cuz possibly for the first time you had a rich guy giving voice to.your most ignorant prejudices.

          • Fred Doe
            Fred Doe says:

            You are incapable of providing a clear and factual argument of any kind. You are dismissed.

          • Nat10000
            Nat10000 says:

            Ha! U silly little twit.. I wasn’t sure what u were commenting on cuz I was juggling several of u Lil mewing kitties that day. U were properly addressed.

          • Flyingdog500p
            Flyingdog500p says:

            “Your kind”? Now we know the truth behind your screed. Is that how you see this; us vs. them? If so, what makes you different from a racist, or misogynist? Our country is so much better than that. When we start down that road, and Trump is fanning the flames, encouraging hatred for anything not Trump, we are headed for disaster. We are not a country of us vs. them, we are a country of myriad ideas and backgrounds, differences yes, but more similar than different, all o which add up to the spark of greatness that is America.

          • Fred Doe
            Fred Doe says:

            Yes! I know how the Nat1000 kind minds work! They are completely incapable of rational deductive reasoning. They care nothing for facts, completely ignoring anything that contradicts their leftist inculcation. And for you to actualy compare a reasoned rejection of their mindlessness to racism or misogyny is on a level of stupidity almost equal to their own! These socialists/progressives/democrats and their mindless followers who see places like Venezuela, Greece and Cuba as wonders of socialist superiority when socialists take over are a clear and present danger to this republic and should not be countenanced in any way by thinking people. They threaten our entire way of life and liberty. They promote that evil they quickly turns into the next Venezuela, and then suddenly develop amnesia about their support when the results of that support turn into the disaster that it always does, or rationalize that belief so that it failed simply because it wasn’t the right people who were implementing it! They forget that thinking, informed people told them exactly what was going to happen when socialists gain power because it always does! If you were truly a thinking person, you would see it is DEFINITELY us versus them and they are growing in numbers due to a lack of history and critical thinking being taught in our schools, BECAUSE THEIR KIND HAVE TAKEN OVER THE EDUCATION SYSTEM!

          • Flyingdog500p
            Flyingdog500p says:

            Your response was telling. It’s clear that you have no idea how liberals minds work. The truth is that liberals care just as much for facts as conservatives and like conservatives we can, at times, be swayed by pre-conceived notions which cause us to adhere to “facts” that fit our likes and not necessarily. In that we are NO DIFFERENT than conservatives. Your rejection however was not reasoned, but an ad hominem attack on people you disagree with. This is the sign of a person who cannot support their argument with logic and reason, but one who has only a superficial understanding of the facts and a person who willingly hides behind a pseudonym in order to engage in internet trolling

            I would encourage you to ask the first 10 liberals you meet and see how many of them agree with your claim about their belief in the wonders of Venezuela, Cuba and Greece. You will, I’m sure, be surprised by their answer. You might find it enlightening in other ways as well because I would be surprised if you willingly talk to anyone who holds different ideas.

            As for the rest of your response, it is basically an incoherent rant that speaks to a mind that must get all of its news from far right conservative sources and allows absolutely no time for ideas that may run counter to its own. Thus it shows a distinct lack of rational thought.

            Doug Hormann

          • Fred Doe
            Fred Doe says:

            The point is that democrat LEADERS believe the things I have posted and their base keeps voting for them! How can you miss the simple truth?! There is no denial that the democrat party is now socialist and that the vast majority supported Chavez and the leaders in Greece. If you deny those things then YOU are incoherent and refuse to see real facts.

          • Jane Farlow
            Jane Farlow says:

            I will wait to see what emerges as evidence from the Special Prosecutor’s investigation. There is real worry over treason out here in the country. There is worry over Trump’s conflicts of interest deriving from his refusal to separate himself from his business dealings, plus the possibility of criminal activity arising from those dealings which may also involve shady contacts with shell companies set up by Putin pals and oligarchs from former Soviet Union countries. I want my mind set at rest that none of this is true before I can think of Trump as a real POTUS.

          • Fred Doe
            Fred Doe says:

            Please investigate the latest news about the Seth Rich murder.
            The entire, fact and evidence free democrat created fantasy about Trump/Russian collusion is completely falling apart. It would seem that there is now evidence that he was the hacker/democrat employee who released the wikileaks emails and was most probably murdered by the DNC and that the Russian fantasy was simply an invented distraction away from the Seth Rich MURDER!!

            http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/breaking-complete-panic-set-highest-levels-dnc-seth-rich-murder-investigation/

        • BGMorgan
          BGMorgan says:

          You really need to up your meds. Barring that, at least read the Constitution or take a freaking civics class. Sheesh.

        • Adobe_Walls
          Adobe_Walls says:

          *Obligatory downtwinkles*
          That is completely delusional. On what grounds would Gorsuch be impeached? Even if Trump were successfully impeached, merely a theoretical possibility considering it takes 67 senators to convict, how would that lead to Hillary becoming president?

      • mmercier0921
        mmercier0921 says:

        Eventually, those who fire the barrage must physically deal with those who survive. This is why the backsword has the double edge.

        Those who beat their swords to plowshares always plow for those who did not.

    • anotherhappywarrior
      anotherhappywarrior says:

      I hope you are right. I am starting to be concerned, though, that it is possible to win the battle and lose the war. Our own leadership in Congress works against the president, for crying out loud. We think we are effecting change by voting for representatives that share our values. They do not. Their paymasters are not taxpayers, but K Street lobbyists. Donald Trump spoke to the concerns of middle America. Is it racist to want our immigration laws to be enforced? Is it a nationalist tendency to want industry to bring jobs back to the United States for people who are desperate for work? Is it sexist or homophobic to disagree with everything the zany left cooks up regarding human rights (Bradley Manning and Bruce Jenner will always have XY chromosomes.)? Hillary Clinton is not the president, thank God, but the leftward March never stops.

      • BackwardsBoy
        BackwardsBoy says:

        The answers to your questions are a simple, “No” as they have always been. What’s new is the false accusation of “hatred” for each simple act of disagreement.
        Well, that plus the ability to reinforce that message through every device you own.

        • anotherhappywarrior
          anotherhappywarrior says:

          The Obama years, with all the false accusations and name calling seems to have had an innoculating effect. It rolls right off…now. I don’t think I’m alone in that assessment.

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      • Go Navy
        Go Navy says:

        This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

        They are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

        I happily give Trump credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

        While Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far preferable to a President Obama or Clinton….

          • silencedogoodreturns
            silencedogoodreturns says:

            Apparently not, or you wouldn’t have written your first sentence. But your smug condescension tells us all we need to know about a Soros troll like you.

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            “Soros troll?” I detest George Soros, the man who paid for Trump Tower which was built by illegal aliens.

            Give it up, sport. You don’t have the intellect.

          • silencedogoodreturns
            silencedogoodreturns says:

            yes, it’s a fact that you are a smug, condescending, penis hunting Soros troll. It’s why you hide your comment history. Now go play with your friends in mommy’s basement. Maybe one of them will show you his penis.

          • Bill Kilgore Trout
            Bill Kilgore Trout says:

            Voluminous reading without comprehension is probably what has resulted in your confused state.

          • Bill Kilgore Trout
            Bill Kilgore Trout says:

            All that reading certainly hasn’t done much for you. Maybe you should read wisely.

          • Bill Kilgore Trout
            Bill Kilgore Trout says:

            By the way, am I supposed to be impressed by something about that address? I think you are maybe 13 as demonstrated by your demeanor here, and nothing you’ve written alters that.
            Hopefully you weren’t ever in the Navy, as I went to NPS in Monterey for a course over a decade ago, and it is a shame to see someone like you include Navy in your moniker.
            What are you waiting for?

          • Matthew Mosier
            Matthew Mosier says:

            Just judging from your “uncouth” language/ comparisons on this thread, I have to laugh (rather than possibly cry) at the irony of NeverTrumpers who say worse things than the President and still think of themselves as morally superior.

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            Interesting ‘Shiite for brains.’ Would be more interesting if I was a ‘NeverTrumper.’

          • johnleehooker
            johnleehooker says:

            re the “conservative media”: WHAT has a “conservative” done for ANYONE in the last 20 years? They are nothing more than effete bloviators rambling on about the Constitution.

            Trump is doing what had to be done to save it all. This is what happens when the BOIL called DC is lanced: PUSS OOZES McCains, and Lindsey’s and Ryan’s and McConnells, and Schuuuuumers and Pelosi’s.

            It’s just going to stink for a while until the puss is drained!

          • Flyingdog500p
            Flyingdog500p says:

            If you had asked most Trump voters, pre-election, if they wanted to see Trump vaccinate DC with a bunch of suits from Wall Street and the extended Trump family(what exactly is Ivanka’s job anyway), what do you think they would have said?

        • flatulento ergo sum
          flatulento ergo sum says:

          Navy, read the article again. Per the above, Cruz would not have won for the reasons given by VDH

          • pogden297
            pogden297 says:

            Trump polled as the WORST GOP general election candidate in virtually every poll. Any other Republican would have trounced Hillary Clinton, including winning the popular vote.

          • Lawrence Duffield
            Lawrence Duffield says:

            Yes, “worst” in all those polls which predicted he couldn’t win at all. “Any other Republican” couldn’t even win the GOP Presidential Primary, for heaven’s sake. Get a grip.

          • Carole Smith
            Carole Smith says:

            Don’t you get sick of hearing about this poll and that poll and blah, blah, blah. I know Trump values them, but if the pollsters are so good, they would have known Shrillary was going to lose. On the other hand, I can’t help but be enjoying all her actions to remain relevant. The “Resistance”? My heavens, these lefties have gone bonkers. I paid no attention to polls for the past couple of years, and I don’t intend to begin doing so now.

          • Historybuff
            Historybuff says:

            The last 10 days of the election, wikileaks and comey #2 swung the election to trump. 78,000 votes shifted over three states did the job.
            HB

          • BGMorgan
            BGMorgan says:

            He won Ohio by half a million votes. Obama won Ohio vs Romney by more. 2.6 million more voters voted in this last election than in 2012. Any other asinine unsupported cockatrices you want to spew?

          • vaccinia
            vaccinia says:

            Delusion….the other candidates couldn’t even win the GOP nomination, much less the election.

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            You’re probably talking and diddling with yourself like you do every other night, miss.

          • Rethuglican
            Rethuglican says:

            You think an empty suit like ¡Jeb!, Little Marco, or Lyin’ Ted would have beaten Hillary Clinton? Please. Trump was the only way to win because he fought like a dog to get there. You know it.

          • flatulento ergo sum
            flatulento ergo sum says:

            Republican voters who saw in Trump hope that they did not in far more experienced and sober men of character.

            Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election, and with it ensured at least 12 and likely 16 years of a hard progressive government.
            Try to kep up dummy

          • MidCali42
            MidCali42 says:

            Considering you chose the Navy (choosing to soend months on board a ship with a bunch of guys), your misuse of the term “miss” is understandable. (“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”)

            Trump may not be a conservstive. Then again, no “conservative” has governed as such for the past 30 years. At least in reapect to the Presidency, Congress of Senate. The so-called “conservatives” have been every bit as bad as the leftists (see debt, growth of government, shoft in power from citizens to federal agencies, etc.). Obviously, you care more about labels than you do conservstism. Trump has done more the implement conservstive policies than both Bush chumps put together.

            Indeed, it is sad that Trump, who isnt even conservative, is governing more conservatively than the entirety of the GOP. In fact, the GOP is trying to stop Trump.

            Now, go back to biting your shipmate’s pillow. Btw, were you the Navy guy from the Village People?

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            Actually, Shiite for Brains, I was a Cryptologic officer and DID ZERO TIME ON A SHIP.

            So you’re wrong on top of being a dumbass.

          • MidCali42
            MidCali42 says:

            Whatever you say, big fella. Was Richard Simmons a good “bunk mate” for you? I’m sure the time you served as a lady boy helped your ultimate transition. Do you go by Kaitlyn, too?

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            No, I bunked by myself but ur mother did come by and service me every few hours, Miss.

          • MidCali42
            MidCali42 says:

            Yeah. You bunked by yourself like Castro Nancy-boys do. Splayed out, face down, and moaning for more abuse. You can’t fool us with this butch act of yours. After all, we know it was the Village People who influenced your choice, lady boy.

            Btw, my mother only services strait males. Obviously, that means you are out. (just like Barry Manilow! I’m sure your parents are proud.) Everyone can see, by your choosing boats full of boys, that you’d be far more interested in being a catcher than bedding a woman. You poor little lady boy.

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            Well she did me. But then, she did so many.
            You came along after she was violated by local pooches.

          • MidCali42
            MidCali42 says:

            Sing it, Village Boy “In the Navy! You take a footlong in the can. In the Navy, you’re a catcher for a man…” Its not often one comes across someone so proud, as yourself, to be out of the closet. Your parents must be so proud! (Though Im sure they knew, with all the Boy George posters you had as a child!)

            Once again, you CHOSE to be a leather boy-toy on a ship full of men. How many “decks” did you “swab” each day, you little slut? Hahahahahahahahahah!! Bet you were the most popular lady boy on the ship.

            Hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

        • Raptors4Jesus
          Raptors4Jesus says:

          When Ted Cruz ate a booger mid-sentence during one of the debates, it was over. The man has less charisma than a crusty locker room tube sock….

        • jerseymark
          jerseymark says:

          So hopelessly deluded. The GOP was inches away from its demise until the unwashed masses got involved. This is a movement largely built and led by Sarah Palin who you guys also despise given your elitist world view. It is here to stay as we do not think any better of your guys than the crazy Democrats. You have lost sight of the big picture and would have sold this country down the drain for your “principles”.

        • Kranky Old Guy
          Kranky Old Guy says:

          Go Navy said: “This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.'”

          Hey genius, this is an OPINION piece, not a news piece; and especially NOT a fake news piece.
          Learn the difference!

        • Alexander Fretheim
          Alexander Fretheim says:

          And you honestly don’t think Hillary Clinton would have been a failure for this country?

          • Hominid
            Hominid says:

            Learn to read – she already said she did not vote for Hillary. Go Navy is a GENUINE Conservative, not pretenders like you Trumpsuckers.

        • JustData
          JustData says:

          I hope Trump appoints Cruz to replace old Ruthie Ginsberg on the USSC.
          .
          I like Cruz. However, Cruz could never win Michigan or Pennsylvania. He got Pence’s endorsement in the primary and still couldn’t even win Indiana. Cruz would have lost by at least as many electoral votes as Trump won by.

      • SouthOhioGipper
        SouthOhioGipper says:

        I keep hearing about these K Street lobbyists, but I don’t understand why K street would want single payer healthcare, or much higher taxes and expanded payroll taxes.

        • anotherhappywarrior
          anotherhappywarrior says:

          I think single payer takes the burden off of employers. Employees cost less when employers don’t have to provide health insurance. As to the higher taxes and expanded payroll, not sure, but perhaps they see the money coming back to them in write-offs.

        • Alexander Fretheim
          Alexander Fretheim says:

          Well for one thing, single payer might increase the purchase of medical supplies due to political pressure to outfit every minor ER in every podunk tiny town in Kansas.

      • Flyingdog500p
        Flyingdog500p says:

        Trump may have spoken to the concerns of middle America, but middle America was taken in by a shyster of unmitigated proportion. Coal jobs aren’t coming back, not because of crazy liberals, but because oil and natural gas are cheaper. Auto jobs aren’t coming back because the average blue color worker doesn’t understand that assembly line laborers who take two weeks to learn a skill shouldn’t earn more than person who studied for years. Immigration isn’t the problem causing low wage jobs to disappear, automation is. People in America, who have a choice, choose foreign products, not because they are cheaper, but because they are often better (although the US auto industry is finally starting to catch up). And for human rights, why does it bother you SO MUCH, how other people live. You want liberals to respect your lifestyle, great! But that sword cuts both ways.

    • horatio
      horatio says:

      Agreed — and to seal the deal, all the Nevertrumpers who stood athwart the path to PT’s victory should be cast into the closest thing to a worldly hell that can be found. Kristol, Lowry and the whole WS & NR crews, Erickson, Kasich, Graham, Romney, et al. are worse than the lowest Democrat. They supported Hillary Clinton, for heaven’s sake. (McCain gets a pass on the worldly fires of hell but gets the same undying disdain).

    • Go Navy
      Go Navy says:

      This article is sad, fake news and does not reflect the thinking of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

      I have consistently supported his decisions, at least the ones he promised and is trying to deliver on. The ones he has changed his mind on e.g. U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, I call him on. I hope president Trump is the most successful president in history; failure means the failure of our country and the downfall of the GOP.

      Trump will never be the president that Senator Cruz would have been and couldn’t carry his intellectual jock-strap on his best day. That said, Trump is far preferable to Clinton or Sanders.

    • Go Navy
      Go Navy says:

      This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

      They are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

      I happily give Trump credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

      While Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far preferable to a President Obama or Clinton.

    • Go Navy
      Go Navy says:

      This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

      They
      are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this
      president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would
      likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

      I happily give Trump
      credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he
      fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

      While
      Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not
      carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far
      preferable to a President Obama or Clinton…

      • wildbillcuster
        wildbillcuster says:

        Cruz has no chance of ever being elected President due to his lack of likability and general creepiness.

        • Go Navy
          Go Navy says:

          So Trump is president because of his “likability” and LACK of “creepiness.” LoL.

          that was an incredibly stupid comment. congrats.

          • wildbillcuster
            wildbillcuster says:

            Trump has a certain roguish charm and I don’t find him creepy. Crawl back into your hole.

          • Dan Warren
            Dan Warren says:

            You are a fool….Donald Trump has been beloved by all who know him. Note that of the tens of thousands of people employed by Trump, the Leftist Movement could find none that would speak against him.

            Anyone who researched Trump would know that he succeeded using above board morality, and succeeded honestly.

            As a businessman, he is under tremendous scrutiny. Audited yearly….go ask Rush Limbaugh how he is a perennial target of New York state.

            But, HiLIARy Clinton is a well known crook of the highest order, probably the biggest political crook in the last 100 years in America, yet, FBI director Comey let her slide on EVERYTHING, even after she destroyed the obvious evidence of 33,000 emails, which surely were used to cover up her selling govern decisions.

            Particularly compared to the political class, he is a paragon of virtue.

            Many Leftist Democrats have become hugely wealthy, all while never working outside of government. The Clinton’s are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there is plenty of evidence of their having sold government decisions to get that money.

            Haiti, uranium deals with Russia.

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            You are a wuss. Ask his ex-wife about when he raped her. All in her book.

            Are you considering his four bankruptcies and four times he dodged the draft. He loves getting others to pay for his failings.

      • Bill Kilgore Trout
        Bill Kilgore Trout says:

        Cruz’s intellect was really nuts? Is that what that intellectual jockstrap of his is for?

    • Pat Michaels
      Pat Michaels says:

      While that may be so, President Trump is going to have a very rough ride and the Democrats are counting on peeling away his support over time.

      Trump’s election was Star Wars IV: A New Hope but we are currently in the midst of The Empire Strikes Back. How it will proceed is anybody’s guess.

    • Danny Alt
      Danny Alt says:

      Is one of his enemies (and respective antics) to include the despot (and antics) of the one man Trump never says anything negative about, is Vladimir Putin and enemy?
      Or.., are Trump’s enemies limited [only] to fellow Americans with an opposing view ?

    • pogden297
      pogden297 says:

      Using “Trump” in the same sentence as “virtue,” “smart” and “effective” should never be allowed. Trump is one of the most dishonest politicians to ever enter the profession and he is certainly the least intelligent President to ever occupy the office. As far as “effectiveness” well he has proven more effective at tanking the Presidency in a shorter period than any one else in history…so there’s that.

    • Alexander Fretheim
      Alexander Fretheim says:

      Or at least, a paragon of self-control, tact, manners and maturity in comparison to them.

    • sosumi idk
      sosumi idk says:

      The fact that the entirety of corrupt swampville has risen in wrath really does more to reassure me that Trump is sincere and on our side than anything else could.

      We shall see which side wins.

    • walkergw
      walkergw says:

      There really is just a single word for Trump supporters. Delusional. Watch, cry, but most of all, LEARN!

  2. Severn
    Severn says:

    Here’s all you need to know about neverTrump and their allegiance with the left.

    Obama directs law enforcement to not pursue action against illegal immigrants – a group of people who are by definition guilty of crimes. The left and neverTrump think this is a perfectly reasonable and legitimate use of “prosecutirial discretion”. No grounds for impeaching Obama there!

    Trump (if the latest story can be believed, which is doubtful) asks law enforcement to not continue to harass a distinguished American general without any evidence of wrong-doing on Flynn’s part. The Left and neverTrump regard this as “obstruction of justice”.

    Either presidents have these powers or they do not. You cannot seriously argue that, as we have seen previously in the case of the EO’s about visas from terrorist countries, other presidents have these powers … but not Trump!

  3. Severn
    Severn says:

    Trump, it is rightly said, is his own worst enemy

    No, his worst enemy is the neverTrump “right”, the enemy within the GOP which seeks to give back to the left that which they lost at the ballot box – monolithic control of the public square and a world in which leftist shibboleths are never challenged.

    A Never Trump movement, I think it is fair to say, had absolutely no influence on the 2016 election.

    Hanson has to say that, since he and National Review did all in their power to hand the election to Hillary Clinton, attacking Trump a thousand times more ferociously than they ever did Barack Obama.

    • Brother John the Deplorable
      Brother John the Deplorable says:

      Rarely do I disagree with the brilliant Dr Hanson (and he was not among those at NR trying to torpedo Trump, hence his appearance here), but I believe you are correct.

      His worst enemy is his own party, determined, as you say, to return to respectable minority status having offended as few as possible at Georgetown cocktail parties.

      Trump is literally alone — there is no one anywhere in elective politics and hardly anyone in media willing to call this “revelation” after “revelation,” “bombshell” after “bombshell” what they are — pure and unadulterated bullsh!t.

      • paul
        paul says:

        I opine President Trump is hardly alone. I predict many depublicans are going to lose their jobs in upcoming elections for there weasel ways.
        In other words “we the people” will tell depublicans “your fired”!
        The price paid for being cowards.

        • horatio
          horatio says:

          I fervently hope you are right, and that open season on them by name commences shortly.

          • retiredfire
            retiredfire says:

            Fervently hoping for a demoncrap takeover of Congress?
            Yeah, that’ll make things better.

          • horatio
            horatio says:

            Fervently hoping that Trump leads a primary effort to displace a relatively small, targeted group of “McCain Republicans” in the house and senate who might as well be Democrats. If done in strong Republican districts, the risks of Democrats winning instead of the Trump-supporting substitute Republican nominees could be minimal.

            In any event, without some kind of change, it looks like Republican Congress will remain ineffectual.

        • 1952rmdg
          1952rmdg says:

          Yes, instead of listening to those who voted for Trump to preserve American jobs and to reduce immigration, what do we get, a budget bill that expanded H-1 and similar work-related visas. With wages still trying to recover for decades of stagnation and with unemployement still high, instead of championing this large middle income voting block, these Chamber of Commerce lackeys in Congress put a big middle figure in front of these working and middle class voters who elected them along with Trump. To repeat a commonly held remark, “the GOP is the stupid party.”

          • paul
            paul says:

            I believe you are refering to the CR or continuing resolution which in fact was not a budget bill. The CR was obozos last influence as there were pre-approved items Pres Trump could not undo.
            This Sept will be a real budget bill and Pres Trumps first real shot at pushing through his America 1st and republican platform which includes reinstating the Glas-Steagal act. I expect a knock down floor fight and several uni-party politicians to get b*tt hurt. Pres Trump knows exactly what he is doing.
            I share your frustration but sometimes it takes a lot to make lemonade when your handed the proverbial lemon.

          • cajb11
            cajb11 says:

            And yet, and yet, Pres Trump lauded the CR. So if I understand you, some in the Congress are doing things that are hurtful to Pres Trum and Pres Trump say’s it’s good. Who is the problem again?

          • Michele
            Michele says:

            Let’s see if the Freedom Caucus can get it right – so far the only folks who are focused on “solving cost drivers”…

          • Hominid
            Hominid says:

            Some will hold firm; others cave. Judging from history, it’s hard to have confidence.

          • retiredfire
            retiredfire says:

            The “freedom caucus” was against that which Trump insisted must remain in the healthcare law.
            You can’t be for both in that battle.
            If you support the FC for their “solving cost drivers”, you must be against Trump for not wanting to remove those.

          • Hominid
            Hominid says:

            If your for the establishment of health care as a right, if your for putting government permanently in control of the health care industry, and if you want the tax-payers on the hook for another ever-growing entitlement, you support the Trump-Ryan sell-out bill.

          • Michele
            Michele says:

            You don’t improve something by “what you want” . They must stop nibbling around the edges of Obamacare and just shuffling the chairs. the only way to solve this is to go big, focus on ‘cost drivers’ and solve those at their root.

        • retiredfire
          retiredfire says:

          Republicans losing their jobs means demoncraps get elected and Trump will have zero chance of getting anything done.
          An incumbent has an even more minuscule chance of losing a primary than losing in the general.
          You people must accept the mantle of #neverrepublican, IOW demoncrap if you insist on voting against Republicans. That “binary choice” thing happens in every election.

          • paul
            paul says:

            Good point and I agree I wouldnt want to replace bad rep with even badder dems but I see nothing wrong with replacing a rep incumbent with a fresh rep face.

      • roastytoasty
        roastytoasty says:

        I admire the many ways in which Trump drives the Left & the NeverTrumps out of their minds. Best of all, every multinational banker & board member, every professional politician and bureaucrat, every pundit and talking head KNOWS Trump commands a huge civilian army of U.S. citizens who are absolutely fed-up with their b.s.

      • George Turner
        George Turner says:

        I view it as the difference between the country club Republicans and a guy who makes a fortune building country clubs. Trump has to get things done, on time and under budget, and hire the management and staff, while the members just have to drink beer and look down their noses at the caddies.

    • Whiskey Sam
      Whiskey Sam says:

      You’re right about Never Trumpers, wrong about VDH. He was one of the few voices at National Review explaining how Trump tapped into something everyone else had missed and saying he was a better option than Hillary. VDH has been labeled a Trump supporter for simply not being an NTer.

    • sotto voce
      sotto voce says:

      Dr. Hanson was a voice of reason during NRO’s Trump meltdown. He consistently offered astute analysis of the Trump Phenomenon and a sympathetic view of the “forgotten men and women” who hoped, prayed and worked for his election.

  4. usamopatriot
    usamopatriot says:

    Victor David Hansen is nothing short of an idiot elitist trying to save his career by writing an article that is complete BS in which he tries and fails to hide his contempt for Trump and his voters.

    • Brother John the Deplorable
      Brother John the Deplorable says:

      Nooo…. I suggest you read a good deal more from Dr Hanson before passing judgement such as this. I have been reading his columns for 20 years and I’m here to tell you that you’re way off base here.

    • jack dobson
      jack dobson says:

      Not true. VDH was one of the lone voices of sanity at National Review regarding Trump, and has expressed an understanding of the man and his supporters most “true conservatives” lack.

    • Ray Zacek
      Ray Zacek says:

      What a perfectly stupid comment. VDH’s career is not in jeopardy nor is he hiding any contempt. He is one of the most reasonable and thoughtful writers now extant.

  5. Kenny A
    Kenny A says:

    Hanson, leave for your farm now. Take a good supply of books – Thoreau, Disraeli, Raspail, De Roberto – because you’re not going to want to access the web or listen to radio or TV for a year or so. Internal exile may be the only way to survive what’s coming, so be strong.

  6. Peter S Rieth
    Peter S Rieth says:

    I don’t really understand why we should get so excited about NeverTrump Republicans? I became disgusted with the vast majority of Republicans not long after the Iraq War started – mainly because of their unwillingness to change their views in the face of reality (everyone is entitled to mistakes, no one is entitled to be a stubborn fool for years on end). When Trump won the Republican nomination – it got me to vote Republican despite having switched my registration to Democrat.

    I still don’t particularly like many Republicans in the Senate and Congress today – most of whom are of course working hard to undermine the Trump administration.

    Trump supporters are – like Trump – Jacksonian Democrats. Lincoln Republicans are long dead. Work to rekindle the Lincoln wing of Lincoln’s party has borne little fruit. The Republican party is not even conservative – it has come to embody war abroad and weak government at home (not small government, not limited government – weak government…people who can’t govern, who only can shut down, shout down, shut out – but not actually govern…even when they have a majority in the Congress and the White House…)

  7. ata777
    ata777 says:

    NeverTrumpers epitomize ideological bankruptcy. They would have abided a thoroughly corrupt Hillary Clinton, a leftist-dominated Supreme Court, socialized healthcare, the ongoing invasion of illegals, and the continuing indoctrination of young Americans masquerading itself as education. And they would have done while crowing about the preservation of their “principles.” Personal job security in the status quo pecking order is more like it. Or perhaps more aptly, a preference for reigning in hell than serving in heaven–as long as the fire only burns the “little people.”

  8. cdr164bn
    cdr164bn says:

    I don’t think this article catches the depth and blackness of the MSM fever that is out there and their complimentary use of the NeverTrumpers statements.

    I am royally pissed right now at the Republican Party. I feel like a Sanders supporter in the Democratic Party. We voters made our wishes known. We elected a fighter because we need one to change things in Washington. George Bush took all of the abuse and then held out his bowl to ask for more. We’re sick of that.

    We gave the Republicans everything they asked for. We gave them a Congress, a Senate majority and now the Presidency. What are they doing with it, absolutely nothing. We may need to develop a honest to god third party that combines the democrats Bernie side with the rest of the conservative deplorables. Right now I have nothing to vote for and it scares me.

    • megapotamus
      megapotamus says:

      And Trump tried to make nice with the RNC that opposed him so bitterly and mendaciously. Rience Priebus was the proof of that. Now we find that Priebus is The Leaker in Chief. Pathetic. They must be crushed.

    • Schmutzli
      Schmutzli says:

      Totally agree. The biggest obstacle to MAGA is the Stupid Party establishment. Give us the House”, they give us Cryin’ Johnny Boehner, then replace him with Lyin’ Paul Ryan. “Give us the Senate”, they” give us Rat McConnell. “Give us the presidency”, they immediately sabotage DJT’s appointments and leak to Big Media, aiding and abetting the Deep State.

      Yet DJT is not immune to any criticism. He has meekly accepted the unConstitutional judicial stays on immigration – those judges have no jurisdiction and should be ignored, impeached, and disbarred. The wall – the centerpiece of the campaign – is still under “discussion”. The law is in place to build it, the Congress of Corrupt Cowards refuses to fund it (but we have money for Planned Infanticide and muslim immigration resettlement, among other unConstitutional expenditures). He has not cleaned out the Rspect administration appointments, which could prove to be fatal if not done immediately.

      Given that we have only a very tenuous hold on the Republic, we simply cannot settle for less than what he promised to do and what he was elected to do. No more lies. No more unkept promises. No more excuses.

  9. ferdburful
    ferdburful says:

    “A sober John McCain” – Really? Good grief, McCain is getting goofier and more unhinged as time goes on. I hope you were being ironic, but I don’t think so.

  10. amoose1959
    amoose1959 says:

    Bravo as usual. It is amazing how culture defines politics. The Frankfurt School skunked the “conservative” movement.

  11. Dude1394
    Dude1394 says:

    Again greatness by mr Hanson. Trump has been the most conservative leader in my lifetime sans Reagan. His willingness to subject himself to this gauntlet to actually try and do something about the ACTUAL problems in this country have me forever in his debt.

    The nevertrumpers national review writers, weekly standard types and especially Romney are dead to me. Whether the Republican Party wants to keep a 40+ year straight ticket voter and supporter will depend on their willingness to beat back this witch hunt. So far they seem ok, but they also seem cowardly.

  12. Conrad O'Connor
    Conrad O'Connor says:

    I agree completely with Dr. Hanson’s explication of the NeverTrumpers’ positions, his subtle description of the relative absurdity of each, and his demonstration of how not only have the NTers predictions not come to pass, but that pretty much the opposite has happened. But he never speculates why they opposed (and in some cases still oppose) Trump so vehemently. The closest he gets is to write vaguely that “there was something deeply wrong in the Republican party” and the GOP and conservatives “had created a hierarchy” that mirrored the liberals. Fine, spot on, but again, why did this happen? VDH does not say.

    I can’t help but think his reticence is just good manners. There is apparently some taboo against suggesting your opponents might not really believe what they are saying, that perhaps economic concerns play some role. I’m not sure why that is, but I guess if you work alongside them it could make for an uncomfortable office environment.

    Well, I don’t work alongside them. Accordingly, I feel free to postulate that smart and crafty people do not generally assert positions (e.g., “Hillary would be a more conservative president than Trump”) that are both absurd and adverse to their economic interests. Thus, anyone claiming such a thing is quite likely either (A) paid to spout such a thing, or (B) mentally unwell. I really can’t think of another explanation. Of course, if anyone knows of conservative pundits in any other instance loudly proclaiming something that is both preposterous on its face, and directly contrary to their donors’ fervent wishes, I’d love to hear about it.

    • werewife
      werewife says:

      You are onto something – something that should make every ordinary citizen who calls himself conservative uneasy.

    • brockkm
      brockkm says:

      Go back and re-read the “Flight 93” column by Michael Anton (http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/). It was the precursor to this web site.
      I truly feel that article was the start of a paradigm shift in the election. It explained the consequences of Nov 2016 in a way none of the conservative writers and pundits were willing to do, and basically calls them out for “going along to get along”

      • Conrad O'Connor
        Conrad O'Connor says:

        I agree completely. But I couldn’t help but notice in that essay that even Michael Anton / Decius was hesitant to accuse the conservatives of simply spouting bromides to appease their donors: “Pecuniary reasons also suggest themselves, but let us foreswear recourse to this explanation until we have disproved all the others.” Then again, by the end of the essay I am pretty sure he had in fact disproved all the others.

    • hamburgertoday2017
      hamburgertoday2017 says:

      There are all kinds of NeverTrumpers. Some were ideological ‘conservatives’, who, like all ideologues, have invested their ego in their positions and *cannot* find a way to change. Others were simply ‘conservatives’ who wanted (another) ‘conservative’ Republican to run whether that individual could win or not. Some NTs are elitists who simply could not abide any form of ‘populism’. Just as the paragons of the Left think that they ‘know best’, the same can be said of the paragons of the Right. The NTs continue to harp because The People *ignored* them and such a action is an affront to their ‘dignity’. Many ‘checklist conservatives’ have been living in the (apparently false) hope that eventually The People will come around to their way of thinking (some of which, such as support for unfettered immigration does not seem particularly conservative). It’s a Messianic hope and, as such, is not amenable to any kind of dissuasion. And, of course, certain positions are very lucrative to maintain if you want sponsorship by the big Chamber of Commerce type donors who support the various ‘conservative’ think tanks that provide much of the employment in the ‘conservative’ movement. Lastly, there is also an inherent problem with conservatism as defined by William F. Buckley: If the present has no longer represents ‘conservative’ values, ‘conservation’ entails conserving a non-conservative present. Every successful radical ends up becoming a conservative to hang onto the gains they have made. Every unsuccessful conservative ends up being a mere curmudgeon. Like the NTs.

      • Conrad O'Connor
        Conrad O'Connor says:

        I don’t disagree with any of that. Perhaps my biggest conundrum is that I can’t figure out who I disrespect more: NTers who don’t believe their spiel but want to stay in the good graces of the Chamber of Commerce, or NTs who aren’t being paid and actually believe it.

    • Carey J
      Carey J says:

      “Thus, anyone claiming such a thing is quite likely either (A) paid to spout such a thing, or (B) mentally unwell.”

      Why can’t they be both?

      • Mike Morgan
        Mike Morgan says:

        I thought we were leaving McCain out of the discussion… He who called the Tea Party “Hobbits”…

  13. Roughcoat
    Roughcoat says:

    Does this mean that VDH will soon disappear from the pages of National Review (just like Mark Steyn before him, and for similar reasons)?

    • roastytoasty
      roastytoasty says:

      Remember John Derbyshire? Rich Lowery bounced Derbyshire for writing a politically incorrect article entitled, “The Talk.”

  14. BostonLiberty
    BostonLiberty says:

    Stand with America and stand with Trump, the evil in DC needs to be flushed down the toilet, and President Trump is getting the job done.

  15. Rick
    Rick says:

    I started the primaries against Trump. I voted for him in the general election. And, now, the left’s attempts to oust him are a de facto coup using the employees of the swamp to overthrow him. And the Republicans who do not stand with him at this time are no longer supportable by me. This is like Seven Days in May only with the plotters being in the CIA, FBI and White House instead of the military. If there is a constitutional crisis, it is one created by the left. And the nevertrumpers are aiders and abettors of the plot. At the worst, they are unnwitting fools. It’s another version of “The Empire Strikes Back.”

    Drain the effing swamp!

    • Alexander Fretheim
      Alexander Fretheim says:

      I was very late to support Trump. I went through several candidates before Trump including Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and finally Ted Cruz, but what finally caused me to see the light was Brexit. It was at that moment, reading about what had happened in England, that I realized that Trump was the man the American people need today. The fact is that the old “conservatism” is simply not socially relevant anymore, it doesn’t fix the real problems and doesn’t fight the fights that are really needed.

  16. Jeffrey Techentin
    Jeffrey Techentin says:

    As a NeverTrumper, being NeverTrump meant putting someone on the ticket who could actually beat Hillary (and yes, I was deeply skeptical of his ability to keep to a conservative agenda). I’ll admit I was wrong, first in not believing he could beat Hillary (I still believe anyone else would’ve crushed her easily) but also in his governance, such as it is. Mostly, I’m enjoying this era because all the right people are freaking-the-hell-out. Not sure if we’ll still have a Constitutional republic in 20 years, but this is proving quite entertaining. Better than any season of The Apprentice, for sure.

    What does trouble me is the notion that we’re still blacklisting people who were anti-Trump as though no one could have opposed him but later reassess that position (as I have done, and continue to do). It’s the same sort of hard-line thinking that made Rubio radioactive because he’d participated in the Gang of 8. Not good for the movement, imo, or for Trump.

    • Bo Grimes
      Bo Grimes says:

      I was a staunch NeverTrump right up until it was Trump or Hillary. I was NT before it was a movement. I never watched his show, and if he was on TV, like Fox and Friends each Monday, I turned the station.

      I see him the way Charles Martin does:

      Now, as I seem to keep needing to remind people, I’m not a Trump fan: his perpetual self-promotion annoys me, his habit of shifting positions in moments unsettles me, his skeevy business practices in the past make it hard for me to respect him, and his apparent willingness to say anything to get a deal done makes it hard for me to trust him.

      But I knew Hillary would be the final nail in the coffin, and I genuinely believed, and still do, Trump was rising to the occasion and tapping into an authentic sub-current of yearning for renewal, for another “morning in America.” I now believe Trump came to late; the rot was too deep; the foundation too damaged.

      Your observation about blacklisting is valid, but on the other side there are NeverTrumperers, like Douthat, who still believe the elite are so much wiser that he would rather have Trump declared unfit under the 25th Amendment. Which is just batcrap crazy. They are so unshackled themselves they project it onto Trump.

      • Carl Eric Scott
        Carl Eric Scott says:

        I was anti-Trump (sorry, “never” never did make sense) to the very end, writing a series of essays on a side-bar blog that used to be sponsored by NRO, Postmodern Conservative. I concluded that series by saying that, all likelihoods weighed, HRC would be the lesser evil. I stick by that now, although with less confidence. Trump has been better than I expected, and has kept promises to his conservative allies.

        I was also, as far as I know, one of the few conservatives who blogged extensively about the need to threaten Obama with impeachment, and who denied that impeachment was meant to limited to legalistically defined offenses.

        Ross Douthat is one of my favorite writers. So good on religion. The first strong voice against Obama’s amnesty order. A very wise man overall.

        But Douthat’s calling for serious consideration of using section 4 of Amendment 25 on Trump, removing him as unfit for office, is deeply irresponsible. Near crazy. Most charitably explained as a kind of devil’s-advocate provocation that went horribly amiss.

        And the impeachment talk coming from various liberals and establishment types now is utterly disgusting. 1) We don’t have the evidence yet for violating the law. 2) Probably every president winds up going over some line unintentionally at some point. 3) The whole “character” and “bring-the-office-into-contempt” aspects of impeachment are mostly irrelevant now–the voters indicated that the obvious character flaws of Trump did not disqualify him in the context of 2016. Anti-Trumpers like myself have to accept that judgment and respect it. These voters were not convinced by our many arguments. So long as he does not descend into new lows, Congress will be essentially nullifying the electorate’s will if they suggest it is at bottom his–already known–character that makes him impeachworthy. Short of him grabbing some woman’s crotch on camera, or something equivalent, a “he dishonors the dignity of the office” impeachment is out of bounds with this prez at this time. 4) Don’t get me started on all the ways Obama was given a pass for patent violations of the Constitution, and how the big-name pundit conservatives, with the singular exception of Andrew McCarthy, deliberately met any discussion of impeachment with a fall-in-line silent treatment. 5) There hasn’t been the slightest effort on the part of Dems to create some kind of coalition with Never Trumpers, to build up any kind of serious and publically stated agreement about what merits impeachment for presidents of any party–the only communication they conduct is to implicitly say “obey the impetus of MSM drama-talk or be regarded as a primitive.” As a partly political judgment/action, no impeachment can occur without such a coalition, and the fact that the Dems are apparently only willing to create that coalition on the basis of coercive media frenzy necessarily becomes part of the political judgment.

        IF Trump becomes a fundamental danger to the Constitution, as Obama really was, or IF he becomes a fundamental danger to American lives, then conservatives should be willing to join a coalition to impeach. But ONLY if those things are clear. No signs of either so far. His voters knew darn well that he’s precisely the kind of guy who might blurt out intelligence now and then, or say something that could be construed by a lawyer to be “obstruction of justice.” They were willing to live with that, and thus, we are democratically obliged to live with it.

        Obviously, I think anti-Trumpers should prepare to challenge Trump if he runs in 2020. His character was, is, and will remain beneath the the elementary “appearance of” (and partial reality of) dignity/virtue required by our democracy, and we will not stop arguing that. But until we convince enough of our fellow voters of that, and in time for an election, he IS OUR PRESIDENT.

        One final thing. All this impeachment talk is utter fantasyland in that you can’t even consider the initial impeachment stage without a majority of the House voting to do so. There is no evidence that we are anywhere near the necessary number of Republicans added to the assumed Dem votes. So it’s irrelevant unless Dems win the House in 2018. And everyone knows they won’t gain enough Senate votes by 2018 (or ever) to follow through on the second stage, i.e., to convict.

        And, yeah, Trumpists, if you’ve read this far, admit that not all those typically put into the class of “Never Trumpers” are the same. Too many of you have a deeply unhealthy habit of categorical labeling. Our day to oppose one another to the hilt again will likely come in 2020. Until then, all patriots must stand with you against this frenzy of election-nullifying drama-talk.

        • retiredfire
          retiredfire says:

          Ah, but far too many of the temper-tantrum brigade, that gave Trump the nomination, are doubling-down and swearing to defeat Republicans in 2018 – they’re still voting on emotions and not the logic that typifies a true conservative.
          That will give the progressives the majority in the House to do to Trump, at least, what was done to Slick Willy – a goal of the demoncraps since his impeachment.

  17. Puddle_Glum
    Puddle_Glum says:

    a flawed character has a better chance of enacting key conservative correctives than did his occasionally moral superiors…
    r
    Maybe you’re right but I can’t see how Romney or McCain are moral superiors: Romney was willing to work for and with a “con” man and a “fraud” and McCain left a wife who had waited for and needed him.

    Eyes wide open elected Trump and even if he is impeached or otherwise removed from office, he turned the conversation, and nationally speaking, that’s usually step One.

    • horatio
      horatio says:

      “Occasionally moral superiors” — what a revolting example of overeducated relativistic stupidity. Romney and McCain think they are morally superior but their actions say otherwise.

  18. MikeR
    MikeR says:

    “Like it or not, a Rubio or Cruz nominee likely would have not won these swing voters and thus likely would have lost the election” Doesn’t follow and probably isn’t true. A Rubio nomination would probably have gotten a different set of swing voters. Not saying they’re right, but plenty of people out there (e.g., 538) think that Rubio would have won pretty easily over a candidate as disliked as Clinton.

    • horatio
      horatio says:

      Rubio or Cruz would have been filleted by Clinton and the Democrat demons. Does anyone really think that anyone other than PT had all that it took to win?

      • MikeR
        MikeR says:

        Certainly possible. But they would have started with a much higher baseline. Everyone has opinions but I doubt anyone knows.

  19. CosmotKat
    CosmotKat says:

    VDH captures exactly why I have left the Republican Party. It has never been clearer to me that the John McCain’s of the world are not patriots, but just rich politicians enriching themselves further off the backs of tax payers.

  20. alainny
    alainny says:

    the bow-tied gentlemen of the conservative intelligensia are so full of themselves. They did forget about the common working men and women of America. They had no answers for our suffering and our declining quality of life issues, and our fears that America was becoming the land unlimited 3rd world immigration and class/race struggles. Trump represents US. and we will stick by him through thick and thin.

    • Hominid
      Hominid says:

      Translation – we’re a bunch of whining losers who want a sugar daddy in the White House and government to take care of us.

  21. PackRatFan
    PackRatFan says:

    A very nice article with many valid points. Though I wish Trump would tone down some of his rhetoric just to shut up the attack dogs a bit, I personally don’t care a smidgen about Trumps tweeting or much of anything else he is being attacked for as long as he continues to appoint conservative judges since it has become obvious that the judiciary is much more important in stopping the libfacist agenda more then any other branch of the government, especially with the GOP elitist who seem to be out of touch with a significant segment of their constituents! I group the Never-Trump crowd into that elitist bunch and personally it’s them that has me registered as an independent instead of a Republican! They are quite despicable in my opinion!

  22. megapotamus
    megapotamus says:

    It is mysterious indeed when and how ‘nationalism’ became antithetical to conservatism. I guess it is only EXTREME nationalism which, the Jonah Goldberg types define as any enforcement of the border. These alleged conservatives are nonesuch. They are, yes, Globalists. And that, I would say, is antithetical to Americanism. At the least it says America is… what is that phrase? At the back of the queue.

          • Mike Morgan
            Mike Morgan says:

            Maybe 45 years ago, slick. LOL. Your inability to work and play nice with others shows the world what your mind is going tbrough.

            Have a nice day.

            You can always buy Hillary some chips and queso because she’s Nacho President.

      • Alexander Fretheim
        Alexander Fretheim says:

        On the contrary, we can make it go away in not more than weeks if we so desire. The Coast Guard can close every port tomorrow if we so please. Alternatively, a middle-ground of controlled, negotiated globalism may be best. The question is not can we make globalism go away, but do we want to?

  23. allangen
    allangen says:

    Opposition to the president because of his crude and volatile nature is a shallow surface affair and masks the real force driving the opposition. The progressives and elite Republicans have been moving together toward a form of government where separation of powers along with checks and balances no longer matter. Decisions are made by faceless bureaucrats who never stand for election and are completely controlled by the elites. The elites mad rush to pursue profit on other continents while showing no concern for the destruction of the middle and working class here was the last straw.

    When Peggy Noonan types shriek “Did you hear what that vile man just said?”, they are virtue signaling that they are superior types. That, however, is not what is driving the hysteria and desire to destroy the president under any pretext. If the nationalists and populists win, their edifice of privilege and ant-democratic authoritarian rule, and the vast profit that goes along with it crumbles.

  24. roastytoasty
    roastytoasty says:

    I am not weary at all. I believe the movement Trump leads compares with the revolution led by U.S. General George Washington. The causes for revolt described in the Declaration of Independence are mirrored in the oppressive & tyrannical over-reach of today’s crony-bossed Federal bureaucracy.

    Here are 2 articles detailing some aspects of organized opposition to Donald Trump & those who support him:

    1. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/17/president-trump-comprehensively-understands-who-and-what-is-the-opposition/
    2. http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/17/former-attorney-general-on-comeys-integrity-jims-loyalty-was-more-to-chuck-schumer/#disqus_thread

  25. Kathleen
    Kathleen says:

    I think part of the problem the “elites” have with Trump is that they are not used to dealing with a New Yorker. Particularly someone from Queens!

    • Alexander Fretheim
      Alexander Fretheim says:

      I think Trump’s character has been more shaped by New Jersey, and in fact the post-industrial communities he has helped rebuild and made much of his fortune off of are really what enabled him to understand our working class and the problems of ordinary people. He is the first American president from Newark!

  26. Dantes
    Dantes says:

    The GOP Senators and Congressional Representatives, with very few exceptions, are vainglorious, cowardly poseurs. They don’t like Trump tweeting? Then get out there and help him, instead of sharpening your monogramed #NeverTrump custom long-knives and stabbing him in the back, repeatedly, either by action or inaction.

    I don’t give a damn about the crazy democrats. I do give a damn about these lying Republicans who promise the moon to get elected and then do nothing. They are the ones now who are standing athwart Trump, yelling stop. Tired of it.

  27. TapestryGarden
    TapestryGarden says:

    Professor Hanson you along with Professor Sowell seem to be the only sane voices in Conservative circles. I have lost respect for many whom I followed for decades. They are as you said totally obsessed with being proven right about Pres Trump even if it destroys the country. The bellyaching about Trump Tweets or dessert habits mirror the hysteria during the campaign. My test is will this impact the lives of most Americans? If not move along. I have turned off cable news and the punditocracy. I think my views reflect those of most Americans. Keep us sane.

    • Marshall Gill
      Marshall Gill says:

      You mean you don’t want to go there and read it? I also no longer visit NR. Of course, once Mark Steyn parted ways they were pretty much dead to me so it has been a while.

  28. Chantal0007
    Chantal0007 says:

    Worse than the hysterical media and Congressional Democrats are the so-called Never Trumpers. They apparently prefer a permanent Democratic majority, since it was proven in the 2008 and 2012 elections that an acceptable, to them, Republican cannot win. Trump did what was viewed as impossible, winning Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania–all viewed by just about everyone as solid blue. (Remember when Sarah Palin was accused of going rogue when she wanted to campaign in Michigan?) Instead of being grateful for stopping Hillary and the liberal agenda, the Never Trumpers are doubling down on their irrational hatred. If they succeed, conservatism will be dead in American. A house divided….

    • brightlight
      brightlight says:

      Some of them have heard stories from the elders of that magical time back before Gingrich upset the apple cart by actually wanting to win. When a Repub in congress just sat back and let the Dems have the majority while snacking on the crumbs thrown at them. They knew their place so there weren’t any fights or battles. The era of closing up shop at 5pm and having drinks together at a local bar.

      They want great times like that! No fighting or being called nasty names by the media. Just sit back and relax…

  29. BackwardsBoy
    BackwardsBoy says:

    “…a Republican staying home was a vote for Clinton.”
    And that is why we on the Right don’t understand Never-Trumpers. After their respective nominations, the nation was faced with a binary decision: continue Obama’s disastrous reign of error or try someone new. There was no alternative candidate or platform from which to choose.
    We spoke and the Progs lost their minds, quite literally, as evidenced by the many false charges made against President Trump since then.
    Two scoops?” Progda really expects me to believe their BS after that breathless report, huh?

  30. L.B. & F.M.
    L.B. & F.M. says:

    Republican politicians, with a few exceptions, seem to have an underdeveloped sense of loyalty. Unless it’s to themselves, of course.

  31. Roy_Lofquist
    Roy_Lofquist says:

    I don’t believe for one second that if Trump acted more “presidential” then the calumny and slander would be less. He’s destroying their world. It’s all-out war.

    He’s also brought a new tactic to the fight. Ju Jitsu? Kung Fu? Whatever it is his opponents are running around with their pants around their ankles. I “Ain’t had so much fun since the hogs ate my little brother”.

  32. Forbes
    Forbes says:

    >”Finally, there was something deeply wrong in the Republican Party that at some point required a Trump to excise it.”

    One need only ask what aspect of our culture, our way of life, had been conserved by Republicans–the conservative party? All Republicans ever do is negotiate the terms of surrender.

    • silencedogoodreturns
      silencedogoodreturns says:

      As someone once said, they are simply the tax collectors for the welfare state

  33. BGMorgan
    BGMorgan says:

    Probably the most irritating thing in all of this, is the left, and now a lot of the right, keep characterizing the email hacking as “Russians interfering in our elections”. If it was the Russians, and not Seth Rich among others, who gave Podesta’s and others emails to Wikileaks, they certainly did not interfere in any election. No one changed the numbers. No one besides Hillary convinced her to not campaign in Wisconsin. The only thing that the Russians did, if it was the Russians, was the job that American journalists refused to do. No one hacked our election, no one interfered in our election. If the RNC got the DNC’s emails and leaked them, would it be called interfering in a election, or an October surprise? Fact is all that came out was that Hillary and the DNC are a bunch of nasty raging hypocritical people, who will stop at nothing, including cheating, or sabotaging one of their own in order to get power.

    • Carey J
      Carey J says:

      A couple of comments about the Democrats’ obsession with “Russian interference”. First, if the Russians truly did want Trump to win, it was the biggest blunder since Pickett’s Charge. Second, if the Democrats had been this excited about Russian efforts to dominate the world back in the 60s and 70s, the Cold War would have been won well before Ronald Reagan became President.

      • BGMorgan
        BGMorgan says:

        Agreed. There was no way in heck that the Russians, or anyone else besides maybe Ann Coulter, could have called that election. I personally think that the Russians expected Hillary to win, like most of America, and wanted to handicap her right out of the starting gate. Putin is a dirtbag, but at heart he’s a Soviet. That was his heyday. One thing the Soviets always liked was predictability. It’s hard wired into their system of government, and philosophy. It’s one of the main reasons they hated Reagan, and called him the “cowboy”. Hillary is predictable by their standards, and would have continued a lot of the Obama admins climate/natural energy policies. All of which benefitted Russia, which has huge natural resource reserves. Trump is a wild card to say the least, and his policies reference fracking/oil pipelines, have driven oil down to around 50 per barrel. This is killing OPEC, who has collectively lost 76 billion since he took office, put Venezuela in a serious death spiral, and really screwed the Russians. The Russians knew this prior to the election, and I guarantee they didn’t want him for this reason alone. Let alone his unpredictability. They aren’t the Soviet Union anymore, and their economy is closer to Spain’s in size. Trumps policies are going to screw Putin heavily, and if It keeps up, look to Putin trying to take him down somehow if he isn’t already trying.

          • BGMorgan
            BGMorgan says:

            I drink a really high ABV IPA every time I watch that video, and laugh my ass off. Only time I think I’ve ever agreed with that fat tool from Flint in my lifetime. MAGA baby.

  34. Stick
    Stick says:

    Never Trumpers are usually NeoCons or Chamber of Commerce types or both. I am of the opinion that NeoCons are likely the ones to worry about – they are convinced of their purity while Commerce types are merely greedy, Always beware of the True Believers.

    • Carey J
      Carey J says:

      The Chamber of Commerce wants to replace the American working class with immigrants who will do the jobs Americans won’t do – for $2.00/hr. Democrats want to replace the American electorate with immigrants who will do things that American voters won’t do – vote Democrat.

      This has resulted in an Axis of Evil bent on destroying the American working class. NeverTrumpers are very much a part of this alliance.

  35. OkiefromMuskogee
    OkiefromMuskogee says:

    It seems to me that the divide in Republican/conservatives is among those who still want to fight by the Marquis of Queensbury rules and those who understand they are in a street fight with people who will lie, cheat, kick them in the gonads and sucker punch them at any and all moments. I started out in the former group but reluctantly came around to see that a “crude” street fighter was what was needed to take on the unscrupulous, criminally insane left. Having said that, Trump did make a lot of enemies in his campaign and Cruz seems to be the only one who has moved on from personal pique and is fighting the good fight.It’s pretty obvious that McCain is going down in flames as a sworn enemy even when he should be on board with most of Trump’s agenda. Ryan is just an old school Regan democrat for the most part who is conservative in some ways but still a big believer in the welfare state and big government policies. Just my personal observations and conclusions.

  36. derf
    derf says:

    I was a never-Trumper in the primaries. I could not stand him, or his antics. He is rude, and a middle school bully. He’s not that informed and makes Obama look humble. And I was especially wary of him having held contradictory positions on every issue of importance at one time or another. There is not an issue that matters that he hasn’t held an opposite (read liberal) view on, even his claim to fame immigration stance. I thought he was the least conservative candidate of the 17 that started out, including Kasich.

    I reluctantly voted for him, however, because I became more of a never-Hillary’er. And for the primary reason of judicial appointments, particularly the replacement for Scalia. I, like the Russians and everyone else, thought he was going to lose, and I am still surprised he won. And the fact that he won – and nominated Gorsuch – (we all think) has preserved the Supreme Court for a generation. For that I am very grateful / elated.

    I still am very wary of his “conservatism”. He has already capitulated on a budget which could have been Obama’s or Hillary’s. And I blame him more than the Congress for that, though they share the blame. He has capitulated on the Wall, which I contended and still do will never be built. He has reversed himself on China (which had to be stopped then, but is now awesome). He is going to be pushing some leftist type policies. And yes, he has pushed some more conservative policies (approving Keystone, for example).

    As for the mess we find ourselves in… He deserves much of the blame. He needs to be an executive. He has to stay focused. There has to be a plan. He can’t send surrogates out (like Pence last week) to defend him and then completely cut their legs out by saying the opposite of what he sent them out to say. He is not playing 8 dimensional chess. He’s winging it. Come up with a plan and stick to it. Everyone has to be on the same page. HOWEVER, much of it is NOT his doing. He has idiots working for him who seem to be more interested in currying favor with the media. He has a media that is an active opponent and treats him as such. They truly are nothing more than democrat operatives with their hair on fire at defcon 1.

    • Carey J
      Carey J says:

      He has the worst media coverage of any Republican President since Lincoln. Democrats started a civil war over Lincoln’s election, and they ended up assassinating him. Things haven’t gotten quite that bad with Trump, yet.

    • silencedogoodreturns
      silencedogoodreturns says:

      How is it mostly Trump’s fault that Congress has not sent him legislation you would prefer for him to sign? Seriously?

  37. D4x
    D4x says:

    Was hoping Dr. Hanson had insight into POTUS statement “No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

    Jackson, Lincoln, and Truman come to mind. The animus to those without proper elocution and degreed credentials runs deep in America’s elitists, always yearning for an aristocracy.

  38. thewhitefrog
    thewhitefrog says:

    Well said. Anyone see Jim Geraghty side with liberal panel and anchor on CNN last night when conservative guest and navy seal commentor said he believes General McMaster before ‘anonymous former officials’ quoted by wash post. One of the most disgusting things I’ve seen. and I used to be fan of Geraghty

  39. Pat Michaels
    Pat Michaels says:

    “A Never Trump movement, I think it is fair to say, had absolutely no influence on the 2016 election.”

    There are few current authors for whom I have greater respect than Dr. Hanson. However, I think he exaggerates here and thereby misses an important point.

    It seems clear, from the hostile regard for the GOPe, and especially for the Conservative Punditocracy, by the average Trump voter that, if anything, these voters have come to recognize the disdain in which they are held by these purported “allies.” But this only served to convince Republican voters of the righteousness of their choice in Trump.

    Trump’s victory has exposed, in a dramatic and glaring fashion not often seen, of the truly seedy underbelly of the New York-Washington corridor and nexus of self-righteous Left elitists, a GOP leadership grown comfortable and leery of doing anything to derail their political gravy train, and a Conservative Punditocracy enamored of its own sophistication but sharing with these others a general disdain for those, like Trump, that they see as inferior and undeserving of their support after their long hard years of toil and suffering in the Obama political wilderness.

    The Leftists can be forgiven in a way: at least they have an idea of how to use power to benefit their cause, such as it is. The GOPe? They gave up on and now disdain middle America just like Hillary and the Democrats.

    So the “Progressive” Left’s chosen front group, the Democrat Party, goes about agitating daily, nay hourly, to get what they want, often irrationally and violently, even if much of the time they spend on one wacko conspiracy theory after another. Soon enough they hit upon a winning formula in a kind of “witches brew”of an avalanche of innuendo, false stories (“fake news”), lots of “high Government officials” spreading a propaganda avalanche of grave opinionating; and, as if that’s not enough, here come our purported allies with arms folded if not actively aiding our opponents.

    So, actually, and contrary to Dr. Hanson’s assertion, I think there is sufficient evidence to conclude that, far from no influence, these self-righteous Never Trumpers actually served to convince eventual Trump voters of the righteousness of their choice which has only increased since Election Day.

    • rambothedrughunter
      rambothedrughunter says:

      Good observation. George Will’s prissy priggish polemics undoubtedly netted DJT more votes than they lost him. Maybe Mr. Will was trying to use reverse psychology (sarc). Note that since then, though, he’s gone over to the “Dark Side” – MSDNC.

      • Pat Michaels
        Pat Michaels says:

        Rambo (or do you prefer John? ): thanks for replying to my comment. I regret Mr. Will’s turn. I have read and admired his work since his stint as a National Review editor back in the early 70’s but I can no longer read his curmudgeonly prognostications.

        We are caught up in what Neil Howe and the late Bill Strauss referred to as a “Fourth Turning” and the good Mr. Will I think has no stomach for it. If I were generous I would simply say that he’s just too old and tired to make the kind of nimble changes required to ride out this storm. But my cynicism tells me that he has become a highly paid elitist himself and can no longer identify with middle America but well regards his own position working for the WP, NBC News and MSNBC, all Leftist platforms. Like Ross Douthat at the NYT, he has become the Designated Conservative…as long as he doesn’t get out of line. These days? They’d have his head.

        Ready to sacrifice his life, his fortune, his sacred honor, he is not (Yoda again!). I will miss his erudite commentary but I can no longer trust him as a source for current perspective. For that, and, in my opinion, one of the most astute macro-sociological viewpoints to be found, I turn to Victor Davis Hanson. Dr. Hanson is a brilliant, incisive and erudite historian who brings a middle American understanding from his own background on his multigenerational California family farm.

        Catch some of his YouTube symposiums and discussions if you get the chance. I would guess you would not be disappointed.

        Thanks again. :-)

      • Carey J
        Carey J says:

        Will once called Trump the water beetle of American Politics. I call Will the dung beetle of American politics.

  40. rambothedrughunter
    rambothedrughunter says:

    “the media, academics, and the progressives—have acted so unhinged that they themselves have lost all credibility and now seem to belong in the pages of the National Enquirer.” Indeed. Reading editorials in WaPo, NYT, and LAT has allowed me to save time by no longer having to read “The Onion” for humorous fake news about current topics. It should probably be illegal to have so much fun. The topper (so far) for me was CNN’s “two scoops of ice cream and diet Coke” attack, like the post-election spoof headline “Trump Evicts Black Family,” showing the Obamas leaving the White House.

  41. MaxMBJ
    MaxMBJ says:

    I’m one of those flyover Trump voters. I’m not what the stereotypes would have me be. I’m educated (Master’s), fairly well-read, and a former Republican (I must now reject that description thanks to the way Republicans on Capitol Hill have treated Trump).

    I don’t think Trump’s an intellectual, I don’t think he’s playing 4-D chess, I don’t think he’s all that great a negotiator. What I do think is he’s Samson and he’s pushed apart the two pillars of our corrupt (on the left) and feckless (on the right) and has collapsed the roof above the swamp party below. I hope, unlike Samson, he emerges unscathed — and I think he will — but I fully appreciate the man for pushing those two pillars to the ground.

    • CptNerd
      CptNerd says:

      I’m certain he’s no intellectual but that doesn’t mean he isn’t intelligent. Nor is he playing 4D chess, instead he’s playing “fizzbin” to the same effect. Or maybe “Calvinball” to a younger audience.

    • Alexander Fretheim
      Alexander Fretheim says:

      I also am a fairly well-educated Trump voter, holding a Bachelors from a top five engineering college and being something of a Machine Learning and IoT expert. I personally see Trump as a very smart man, but also a very anti-ideological man who is focused on addressing real problems with solutions that work rather than trying to craft some beautiful theoretical perfection that no one will accept in sufficiently complete form to work.

  42. MfK
    MfK says:

    Excellent article, Mr. Hanson. I think the rest of National Review should pay attention to the fact that their continued sniping at Mr. Trump will only assure that people abandon the Republican party in favor of nothing, in which case the Democrat party wins by default.

  43. Carey J
    Carey J says:

    “Illegal immigration is reportedly down some 70 percent”. This is why the NeverTrumpers hate Trump. They want to flood the labor market with cheap immigrant labor, and Trump won’t play that game. The Republican Establishment doesn’t give a damn about people who have to work for a living. And people who have to work for a living have quit giving a damn about the Republican Establishment.

    • Jerrybear
      Jerrybear says:

      Agreed. The RINO establishmentarians in the mold of John McShame only care about open borders and constant war around the world.

      • Carey J
        Carey J says:

        Constant war around the world means a steady stream of refugees cheap immigrant labor. They are two sides of the same coin.

  44. Bailey
    Bailey says:

    Excellent! Just plain excellent. VDH keeps a historian’s perspective and isn’t so easily skewed by the popular media passions du jour. We need more of this especially from those of us who don’t idolize Trump and are able to differentiate Trump and his weak points from the larger issues which the left never loses sight of, always pursues, and never surrenders ground on.

  45. Ken Bingham
    Ken Bingham says:

    Never Trumpers are the political walking dead. They should get out of politics because they are not welcome. Worse than Democrats.

    • SolidCitizen
      SolidCitizen says:

      Their great idea is to install a Third Bush Family Member to the White house. Truly a DOA idea.

  46. Marshall_Priddy
    Marshall_Priddy says:

    No president in my entire lifetime has had such antipathy and disgust for my principles and values than Trump does. Why is it shocking that I return that antipathy and disgust in kind?

      • Marshall_Priddy
        Marshall_Priddy says:

        I’m no Democrat. The POTUS has spent years as a registered Democrat; I never have.

        • silencedogoodreturns
          silencedogoodreturns says:

          you’re no democrat? But you are against low taxes, getting rid of illegal immigration, building up the military, and limiting govt involvement in health care?

  47. Brett_Bellmore
    Brett_Bellmore says:

    “Never Trump cadres rightfully object to the invocation of the classical logical fallacy of tu quoque.”

    No, not really. Tu quoque is probably the most common mis-identied fallacy around today. In “tu quoque” somebody accuses you of a wrong, and you attempt to *refute it* by pointing out that they’ve committed it. This is a fallacy because, of course, you could both be guilty.

    But if all you’re doing is demanding context, it’s not a fallacy.

    In politics it’s not generally a matter of whether candidate A is a crook. It’s a matter of whether candidate A is *more crooked than* candidate B. Two candidates are being COMPARED. It’s no tu quoque to point out that B is just as guilty, it’s perfectly relevant.

  48. bilahn
    bilahn says:

    With this article Hanson has totally dismissed any shred of credibility and morality he has left. Absolutely appalling. Trump is a mortal danger to our democracy, out constitution and the safety of our country and world.

  49. Tanuge
    Tanuge says:

    The people opposing Trump are “so unhinged that they have lost all credibility,” belonging “on the pages of the National Enquirer”?
    Seems strange given that they have succeeded in getting a special prosecutor installed to conduct a criminal investigation of Trump and his three-ring circus of an administration. I’m pretty sure that Robert Mueller doesn’t work for the Enquirer. (btw, if you bothered to look, you would notice that in real life, the Enquirer is still running stories about how “Crooked Hillary” is about to be indicted and sent to jail- true story)

    • odys
      odys says:

      Yes, Hillary could be indicted and sent to jail. Statute of limitations has not passed. As for Mueller, it may be another Trump chess move while you guys are playing checkers. NOW someone can actually stop slow walking the search for leaks, because EVERYONE knows there is no Trump/wusskie entanglement, even Comey and Diane Feinstein have said so. So no risk bringing in “the kings eyes and ears” to investigate the swamp.

      • Tanuge
        Tanuge says:

        “Everyone knows”? well- that’s certainly conclusive proof. Tell you what, let’s conduct the same investigation into Trump as was conducted into Hillary and see.

  50. Gl Remote
    Gl Remote says:

    Special council Mueller will likely find no Russian connection, at which time Progressives and their but buddies Never Trump Conservatives will create another scandal.

  51. mistermcfrugal
    mistermcfrugal says:

    Great analysis. I refuse to attack Trump. I’ll put up with issues with him. Anything is better than commie Democrats and leftist media running the country.

  52. Epstein's Mother
    Epstein's Mother says:

    So his accomplishments are getting a judge through a friendly Congress, albeit at the cost of Republican filibusters of future Democrat appointees; a further decrease in illegal immigration, which has been headed south (literally and figuratively) for 10 years anyway; and some pipelines.

    And that’s enough for you to believe Trump is a success.

    • Dave Hunter
      Dave Hunter says:

      Admit it, nothing he does will make you happy. How about if you check your housekeeper’s papers and see if she’s here legally?

  53. Dave Hunter
    Dave Hunter says:

    Excellent analysis, as usual from VDH. This is a slow motion coup and it needs to stop. Trump barely colluded with his own campaign people, how in the world does anyone think he colluded with the Russians? One thing Trump is known far and wide for is his singular self-reliance and being his own man. How about if his own supporters get this out there daily in an effort to counteract the MSM’s endless screaming about dust balls?

  54. Bushido Joe
    Bushido Joe says:

    I grew up in a family that made its living doing hard, dirty and if not careful, dangerous work. Any employee who showed up everyday and could the work, earned our respect. How they looked, spoke, dressed or the personal habits they had were irrelevant. And so it is with the Donald, I did not have a high opinion of him at first, but based on his accomplishments he has forever earned my respect. I would be honored pick up his bar tab or pull him out of the ditch at 3:00 AM with no questions asked – just because he shows up everyday and does the job!

    • Dave Hunter
      Dave Hunter says:

      And he does his job under the most trying circumstances what with the nattering nabobs of negativism burping in his ear ever minute of every day.

    • Sam Topeka
      Sam Topeka says:

      Well., since Donald doesn’t drink, you have little to worry about going broke paying his bar tab. Unless he decides to buy the bar.

  55. Go Navy
    Go Navy says:

    This article is fake news and in no way represents the feelings of most ‘Never Trumpers.’

    They
    are overwhelmingly patriots who understand that a failure by this
    president means failure by our country. The downfall of Trump would
    likely herald the permanent end of the GOP.

    I happily give Trump
    credit whenever he tries to make good on his campaign promises. When he
    fails to do so e.g. U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, I rightly call him out.

    While
    Trump will never be what a President Cruz could have been and could not
    carry the intellectual jock strap of Cruz on his best day, he is far
    preferable to a President Obama or Clinton..

    • odys
      odys says:

      Never-Trumpers come off as sour, nasty, self-righteous people. The article does not state that, but all one need do is read anything put out by the never-trumpers or listen to McNasty and Flimsy Graham to realize that.

      • Go Navy
        Go Navy says:

        You sound a bit sour and nasty yourself.

        McNasty and Grahamnesty have zero to do with this, sport, and no conservative I know are fans. Perhaps you’re thinking of populists.

        • odys
          odys says:

          No one who calls themselves conservative actually is a conservative. Nope, nasty, sour bitter people is what they sound like and come off like. They try to split hairs, like you are doing, to deflect that they only thing they have is anger at not having their opinion taken.

          • Go Navy
            Go Navy says:

            Another nasty little populist POS.

            PS. When your boy goes down, you twerps will own this. Unfortunately, the GOP will be dead. Congrats.

  56. odys
    odys says:

    “Trump was not so much a reflection of
    red-state Americans’ political ignorance, as their weariness with those
    of both parties who ridicule, ignore, or patronize them—and now seek to
    overturn the verdict of the election.”

    WE are the movement, Trump is just the vehicle. As for the “resistance:” many veterans of WW2 in France will tell you the French resistance came out once the Germans were back across their border.

  57. silencedogoodreturns
    silencedogoodreturns says:

    VDH nails it again. What is truly alarming is how his “conservative” colleagues at NR are unable, or unwilling, to see the obvious. That they, and the eGOP writ large, don’t just means that the GOP as a party will continue to collapse as an empty shell that stands for nothing.
    I would love to be in the room as the likes of Goldberg, Williamson and French read this.

      • silencedogoodreturns
        silencedogoodreturns says:

        How is it “nonsense?” Are you a liberal or just another go along to get along country club “republican?”

        • Dave781
          Dave781 says:

          No, I am a NeverTrumper. Since the article is supposed to be about me, I can say that VDH completely misrepresents my positions.

          • silencedogoodreturns
            silencedogoodreturns says:

            Nah. You’re another Soros troll. Seminar trolls are easy to spot. And I notice you couldn’t answer the question

  58. SouthOhioGipper
    SouthOhioGipper says:

    I’ll admit it. I was virulently #nevertrump, but once he got elected, it became a matter of political, social and economic survival for us all to hang together because progressives certainly want to hang us one at a time. This is class war and my class enemies activities require me to put intra-clan rivalries to rest for the greater good.

  59. odys
    odys says:

    IF Mueller is half as honorable as everyone says, it will take him about a week to figure out what Comey and Diane Feinstein have already admitted: that there is no Trump/wusskie entanglement.

    Then Mueller can get to work helping plug the leaks and drain the swamp, a good ju jitsu move to use your opponent’s momentum against them.

  60. landon
    landon says:

    Post Trump, this life long Republican will no longer support the republican party, ever,

    #NT is the reason. I will not stand with them

  61. flatulento ergo sum
    flatulento ergo sum says:

    I wish Krauthammer, et. al.would read this and think about it and get off their never Trump high horse.

  62. Dave781
    Dave781 says:

    VDH is the worst kind of elitist – he thinks that the only to win elections is to lie to the people. Hence his support for the con man.

  63. Blitz44
    Blitz44 says:

    All of the above is true but the bottom line is the swamp is fighting hard to remain in place.

  64. David
    David says:

    What is frightening is that not only has the mask fallen and the sham “opposition” between the Democrats and Republicans been revealed for the lie that is, but these Ancien Regime retreads seriously think they can overthrow an election and the people will meekly accept it.

    If they thought 2016 was a shock, wait until they see the people’s reaction this.

  65. Lyle Petersen
    Lyle Petersen says:

    A Democrat is going to be a Democrat. I accept that. But ever since 2008, The DC Republicans (many who are in fact Democrats themselves, and only play at being Republicans in their home districts at election time) have proven time and time again that they do not want to lead, and do not want to enact a conservative agenda; they just want to pay a token opposition and fundraise forever. They’re traitors.

    For those reasons, many conservatives like myself hold the GOP in far greater contempt than the Democrats, who just do what they do.

  66. Mike Morgan
    Mike Morgan says:

    VDH sees very clearly. I wish the GOP was as clearly on the side of the Americans who voted their sorry carcasses into office. Trump is making them look bad because he is keeping his campaign promises.

  67. codgerelle
    codgerelle says:

    Trump, as has been suggested before, is the first third-party president. Good: We are in dire need of a party that represents the interests of the people who form the engine of this country, and addressing those interests is what Trump is trying to do. Both the Republican and Democrat Parties abandoned this consideration a long time ago, and those who turned out in droves to vote for Trump both recognize this and finally struck back.

    “Character”? Trump’s character leaves that of most of those sniveling weasels on both sides of the aisle in the dust in that he calls it as he sees it, without the usual obfuscation, and he most often sees “it” pretty clearly.

    The Republicans won’t change, and neither will the Democrats. The only hope is a third party, which, unfortunately, isn’t likely to materialize because the people who would form one are too busy meeting their own responsibilities to have the time for it.

    • Dan Warren
      Dan Warren says:

      All true.

      I am hoping that the Trump movement simply takes over the republican party.

      And, we should then rename the party, as the republican brand name simply has too much baggage, with years of Leftist propaganda shoveled on it, and now the even worse idiocy of the always siding with the Leftist democrats of the RINOs, and now the traitorous actions of the Never Trumpers, who simply cannot acknowledge the truth that Trump was by far the best candidate running, and will become one of the best presidents in the past century.

    • Alexander Fretheim
      Alexander Fretheim says:

      Actually he’s something even better than that: an insurgent who redefined his own party, shifting away from a Liberal Conservatism that was becoming increasingly socially irrelevant to a patented mixture of National Conservatism, Jacksonianism and Toryism.

  68. Historybuff
    Historybuff says:

    Getting increasingly disappointed in mr. hanson. Seems like he simply can not look at ‘bad’… and call it Bad.

    That is how we got stuck with obama… and clinton.

    America is in a moral & ethical vacuum… and hanson’s article perpetuates it.
    HB

    • wombat1951
      wombat1951 says:

      Like almost every post slamming VDH, not a single specific comment on anything he said.

      The mark of a lefty troll ????

      • Dan Warren
        Dan Warren says:

        No, HB is an unrelenting Never Trump republican. His post have been consistent ever since Trump ran.

        He used to be a decent poster, thinker, observer. But, alas, he has gone off the rails as a never Trump fanatic.

        Poor HB, I used to admire him.

    • silencedogoodreturns
      silencedogoodreturns says:

      did you even read the column?
      “Trump, the president, certainly has continued his erratic and mercurial behavior in the manner of Trump, the candidate. His tweets are often incoherent (and yet also prescient in odd ways) and pursue the trivial. His habits—largely living alone in the White House, short on sleep, tweeting in the early hours—add to his irascibility. The White House operations reflect Trump’s own impulsiveness.”

  69. Dan Warren
    Dan Warren says:

    Thank You VDH for the intellectual and moral clarity you provide.

    NEVER has the American nation witnessed the unrelenting propaganda SMEAR campaign against the American People’s decision to elect Donald Trump as our president.

    My view of president Trump is that he is an actual American Hero, the likes of which has not been seen in many decades.

    He surely understood that he was risking much by running for the presidency.

    He believed he could win, but, I doubt that he would have been able to have predicted the unleashing of the rabid actions of the Media, Leftist Democrat party, and others of the Leftist Elite Ruling class to SMEAR him and his administration.

    However, he surely was able to imagine that his family could be targets of assassinations by Muslim terrorists, and particularly, that his worldwide assemblage of Trump properties, hotels and golf courses, would become targets of Muslim terrorism. His hotel and golf courses could be drained of customers quickly if people thought that they were at risk of becoming casualties of terrorists.

    Donald Trump risked much of what he had built during his career by running for president.

    And, of course, we now see that the Leftist Movement and the Leftist Ruling Elites, as well as many Republicans are engaing in a type of political coup attempt which we have never witnessed before in American history.

    And, as you note, there is much violence coming from the Left, and we may yet see more Leftists becoming terrorists. We already have the Black Lives Matter movement, acting as domestic terrorists, in ambushing police officers and assassinating them, killing the beloved husbands of cherished wives, and taking the beloved fathers from the lives of their adored children.

    The Never Trump republicans have signed onto the rabid craziness of the Leftist Movement in America, which includes the Media, the democrat party, and most of the bureaucratic institutions of our nation. The Never Trumpers are effectively saying, ‘we don’t care what happens to the American People under the propaganda state of the Leftist Movement that we currently live under….our hate for Trump trumps any and all other concerns’.

    The American People are watching. I only hope that the American People are understanding what they are seeing, i.e. the PROOF that we are living in a propaganda state similar to what had existed in the Soviet Union. It is the American version of a totalitarian propaganda state, and if HiLIARy Clinton had become president, the propaganda state would have controlled everything, and propelled us into totalitarian leftist control of all American’s lives, while covering their un-American actions under thick blankets of 24/7/365 propaganda.

  70. shrikeangel
    shrikeangel says:

    This article is laughably inaccurate. Trumps character has been atrocious. One has only to wait for saturday morning for a weekly tweet storm. He contradicts his own press staff nearly daily, he throws around baseless accusations constantly and his press conferences are totally incoherent. As for his conservative agenda all we have is one supreme court justice a couple of pipelines and some executive orders that can be reversed by the next administration. We don’t have repeal replace yet we have not tax reform no substantive legislation period. All things he said would be easy to do within 100 days. On top of this he wont touch any of the true drivers of debt in this country entitlements. As for his cabinet other then Mattis, McMasters and Haily I’m not impressed, see General Flynn. The idea the Cruz or Rubio would have lost to Clinton is laughable all Polling showed that the only candidate that could lose to Clinton (and he did lose the popular vote) was Trump. He just able to thread the needle in 3 states where a Rubio or Kasich would have blown the doors off of her and more importantly been able to govern competently. Dont give me that crap lie the polls were wrong they weren’t the were mostly withing the margin of error as the RCP average had it Clinton by 3 and it ended up Clinton by 2.1 the popular vote is what polls measure not the electoral college. If any thing Never Trump has been completely vindicated as this circus show of a administration has illustrated. The ones with egg on there face are the ones who completely abdicated decades of conservative thought and principles to hop on the Trump Train like Hansen. This explains there desperation is trying to twist reality and deny the actual fact of the disaster they helped make happen, There is a special place in hell for many of them.

    • Bobbi60
      Bobbi60 says:

      In your case, it would have been better to be silent and let people think you a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. Unlike Mattis and Haley, neither McMaster nor Flynn were ever a member of Trump’s cabinet; their position was that of National Security Adviser–a position appointed by the president which does not require congressional approval.
      Trump has succeeded in most of his main goals that were possible without help from the Republicans in Congress, who have exhibited their usual weak-kneed aversion to any change that doesn’t directly benefit them. As the article above says, he has improved our position vis a vis immigration, and the supreme court, and the major failures–tax reform and the repeal of the ACA–are as much the fault of congress as they are of Trump. The so-called scandals are mostly empty pipe dreams dredged up by Democrats and the media(sorry for the redundancy) to smear the president in an attempt to hide his accomplishments. That they have succeeded so well is mostly the result of Republicans who are so intent on disliking the man that they are willing to sacrifice the good of the country to get rid of him, and idiots who have the ‘where there’s smoke, there must be fire’ attitude that makes the media so successful in their smears. You need to take a clearer look at the things Trump has done, instead of the things the media says about him.

    • silencedogoodreturns
      silencedogoodreturns says:

      name one thing “inaccurate” in the column. I read threw your verbal diarrhea and saw nothing but Soros talking points.

    • Alexander Fretheim
      Alexander Fretheim says:

      But that’s not the claim the article is invalidating. The article is not claiming that “Trump’s character has been atrocious” is incorrect. It is claiming that “Trump’s character has seriously damaged American interests or the conservative movement” is incorrect.

  71. MidCali42
    MidCali42 says:

    Trump actually saved the Republican Party from themselves and their terrible “leadership”. The big government, open borders Republicans have at least taken a solid punch in the mouth. Hopefully Trump gives them a few more kicks to the groin.

  72. Lawrence Duffield
    Lawrence Duffield says:

    It is probably better to have this “nightmare” conflict out in the open now, rather than after another few years of Leftist gains and “conservative” surrenders. It is highly ironic that President Trump, by attempting to govern in accordance with his voters’ priorities, has exposed an entire substrata of Washington GOP pols and bureaucrats whose goals and objectives are not in alignment with Republicans in the red heartlands.

    We owe President Trump for turning over those DC rocks to expose what lies beneath.

  73. helen souza
    helen souza says:

    The forces arrayed against this president are alarming. The establishment of both parties, the corporate media and the democrats are hell bent on his destruction through a campaign of misinformation and outright lies. Instead of making me less a Trumpian, they are making me double down on voting for him again. I’ve stopped watching all news shows including Fox News. Because I’m simply tired of the lies and distortion. I’m 71 years old and I’ve never seen anything like what is happening to him. Yes, he can be crude. Yes, he will make mistakes. But as long as he continues to give me what he promised, I will be backing him. And, I’m making note of who is not backing him in the republican party. Take notice, Kern County, Kevin McCarthy is his enemy. Take note, Tulare County, Devin Nunes has become invisible after showing courage for once. Paul Ryan is losing status by the hour. We continue to support our guy until someone shows us proof that he is not worthy of our trust.

  74. rlhailssrpe
    rlhailssrpe says:

    The greatest strength of President Trump is that his last name is not Clinton. He came to drain the swamp, which requires a lot of stirred up mud. The greatest historical fact, from the first 100+ days of his Administration, is the enormous amount of hate in this nation, in academia, the media and the opposition party. His critics do not disagree with his policies, they spread gossip and talk impeachment, after only a short time in his Presidency. What are the bases of impeachment? Documents which no American has read; they are all classified.

    We do know, without doubt, that two felonies occurred in the campaign. A Democratic staffer was assassinated, two bullets in the back, in a “botched robbery”. The killers left roughly $2000 worth of personal property on his dead body. His hard disk was confiscated and its contents are unknown; some say he was the leak to Wikileaks. General Flynn’s name was leaked to the press from NSA classified documents. That is a felony. There is a very small cohort of federal employees who had access to the intell.

    The greatest weakness of President Trump is his aggressive undisciplined nature. It has caused chaos in his camp. He may not be experienced in running a complex organization, far more intricate than building a hotel or reading a balance sheet.

    • Danny Alt
      Danny Alt says:

      You may be on to something. Similarly, a known registered democrat was found dead in Medford Oregon, the killer(s) left her $500 shoes on her feet, some say she read most of the Wikileaks leaks.

  75. chris_zzz
    chris_zzz says:

    This piece politely and correctly points out what a bunch of ungrateful numskulls the never-Trump Republicans are. They can’t have Bush #41 back as prez. The choice was either crazy Trump or progressive Hilary. The nation would be better off if these crybabies got off their duffs and helped Trump govern. The nation can’t afford a failed presidency.

    • Danny Alt
      Danny Alt says:

      Well, apparently we are getting precisely what we can ill afford.
      Thanks to all those that nominated a racist, misogynistic, narcissistic “Bullshit artist, with serious impulse control disorder, who under extreme pressure from “The Facts” has morphed into a full blown “idiot” – the likes of which we have not seen before.

      • silencedogoodreturns
        silencedogoodreturns says:

        isn’t it amazing how Trump lived in the spotlight of NYC for decades, right under the NYT’s nose…and no one knew he was a racist misogynist until he became President. Amazing that.

        • Danny Alt
          Danny Alt says:

          Saying “no one knew he was a Racist Misogynist until he became President” is ridiculous, millions knew!

          Long before Trump declared his presidential candidacy, The New York Times reported many times on Trumps efforts to characterize the sitting President of The United States as a Kenyan Muslim and certainly not an American Citizen. That NYT reporting lasted for the 5 years leading up to his presidency.

          Some of those articles and columns expressed what millions of American’s believed during those years, that those efforts to delegitimize the1st American Black President was likely racially motivated.
          That opinion was reinforced by NYT reports on Trump’s past treatment of black tenants, resulting in law suits.

          However, the NYT did not report or comment on Trump’s racist statements, regarding Mexicans, until Trump declared his presidential candidacy. It might have been that very day.

          Accordingly, the NYT reporting and columns written on his Racist Rhetoric directly related to Mexicans were written contemporaneous to the racist statements.

          As to the NYT reporting on our president’s misogynistic history,
          The New York Times picked up on that when an audio recording of our president admitting to committing sexual misconduct was released and reported on..,
          and that was followed by corroborating statements, of similar misogynistic acts, statements given by 11 separate unconnected women.
          That NYT reporting occurred contemparaniously to the events, before his presidency.

          You know what is really “Amazing”:
          You did not know all that; But, not knowing did not stop you from just making something up.
          Amazing that!

          • silencedogoodreturns
            silencedogoodreturns says:

            HAHAAHAHAHHAAHA . Nice try Festus, but you just proved my point. Now, get some better Media Matters talking points if you want to hang with adults.

          • Danny Alt
            Danny Alt says:

            Despite your childlike effort to make it appear otherwise,
            your substance free response..,
            to my factual rebuttal to your baseless comment..,
            about a newspaper you obviously never read..,
            clearly reveals (to all) your ignorance and total disregard for facts.

            You have exposed your ignorance to those with reasonable cognitive skills reading our discourse.

            Good Bless You for believing you are informed enough and intellectually capable to “hang with adults”.

  76. docdave88
    docdave88 says:

    President Trump was my fourth choice behind Cruz, Fiorina and Carson (Sorry, Marco “Send in 10,000,000 New Democrat Voters So I Can Prove How Moderate I can Be” Rubio was never considered).

    When it came time to pull the lever (well, to fill in the black dot here in backwards Missouri) he had the only qualification that mattered.

    He. was. not. Monica. Lewinsky’s. Boyfriend’s. Wife.

    • Aaron_Burr
      Aaron_Burr says:

      Like you, I was not an early Trump supporter. But when it came down to it, I finally came over primarily for the SCOTUS nominations. The prospects of Hillary appointing as many as three or four Ruth Bader Ginsberg clones to SCOTUS was too hideous to contemplate. Case in point: this clown Lawrence Tribe from Harvard who is out there ranting about starting impeachment proceedings before there is any actual evidence was at the top of her list.

      • docdave88
        docdave88 says:

        Precisely.

        The way I saw it it was a binary election for the survival of the Republic.

        My frustration notwithstanding, I’m at least optimistic that my beautiful granddaughter won’t grow up at the mercy of a block chairman. We dodged that bullet anyway.

    • C T
      C T says:

      Except one little point, which far too many people have missed. The first executive order on immigration didn’t “target green-card holders.” People who already have green cards are not treated as “immigrants” when they enter the USA. It’s right there in the definitions section of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The “immigrants” who were affected by the order were those holding immigrant visas in hand, not those who already immigrated. Once green card holders establish at the border that they they are who they say they are and that they haven’t done anything to lose their green card status, they’re in, no “admission” necessary under the immigration laws.

  77. ryan mark
    ryan mark says:

    I would argue that it is the never trumpers who are validating the tabloid style reporting of the NYT and WaPo by reacting to articles solely supported by anon sources. The NYT and WaPo try to pass off gossip columns as “investigative journalism.” I don’t really see the difference between the top tabloids and NYT and WaPo. They are all basing stories on an “anonymous source in the know.” The difference is that RINOs and never trumpers, McCain and rubio etc REACT to the gossip columnesque stories by NYT and WaPo and freak out. The GOP should say, as Clinton did over and over again, there is no “evidence” (meaning admissible in court of law) that anything improper has taken place.

  78. cellisis
    cellisis says:

    those never trumpers are not that different from hillary-voting dem elites. they are all in a pathetic elite camp, crying over spilt milk…

  79. 24601Ind
    24601Ind says:

    A new theme is arising, that our political polarization is a result of us living in different realities. This column is an example. Cherry picking then minimizing 45’s faults, as well as the more extreme and ridiculous arguments criticizing, or worse attacking, him, is not difficult. I’m an independent, who sincerely wanted him to succeed, given he’s the pilot of the only plane our country has. I wanted to be tired of winning. I regret the inappropriate insults to him and his family, as much as I regretted similar and worse slams of President Obama and his family. Still, I saw no reference in VDH’s argument, other than passing generalities, (too favorable to 45 under the circumstances) about the things that concern me and the media whom are our best defense against what has proven on a weekly, if not daily basis, to be a dumpster fire of an administration. Did I miss VDH speaking of repeated doubling down of easily verifiable lies (inauguration size, Obama wiretapping, protection of pre-existing condition in ACHA, treated worst politician ever, etc.): of the manner in which we’ve become a joke internationally, of the proud introduction of “alternative facts” into our national lexicon, of the clear conflicts of interest between his organization/family and the public trust, of demonizing the media an “an enemy of the people”, of the inability to control his tweet machine; of the shallowness of his ability to absorb the important policy and intelligent challenges facing the country; of his consistent refusal to accept that the POTUS is constitutionally subject to checks and balances, which has sustained our nation for all of our history; of his firing of Comey to impact the Russian investigation? Jonah Goldberg explained his “never Trump” position better than VDH has – simply, Jonah expects to be a columnist/pundit long after 45 has left the scene, and he believes that to have any credibility in that post Trump world, he’ll have to avoid becoming a Trump sycophant. This column is an example of how VDH has no problem with such a perception.